I've tried to speak with Rasure and Salerno since GNGS's release but to no avail. As I wrote in "Goodbye Natalie Goodbye Splendour" I believe they rushed judgment in this case to avoid a media circus. I don't think there is a conspiracy or a cover-up on the law's side, more an embarrassment they care not to admit. I believe lead detective Rasure made a terrible mistake, and being he was respected, no one deemed it necessary to second-guess him.
The authorities were genuinely saddened by Natalie Wood's death, a high-profile death that was bound to draw media attention. Little did they know, it would go on until this very year. That's because, these days, such a case would never have been closed within days. Today, the detectives would be as scrutinized as the cruise survivors would've been...comedians would be joking about them, and their actions would be all over the media. But, for some godforsaken reason, they are ALL getting a continued pass on this shabbily investigated case. It's easier for them to consider what I have contributed as part of the "farce of Natalie's death" but this case is no farce to me.
Her family, her friends, her colleagues, the media, and those who we would expect to bring Natalie Wood justice can remain "politely quiet" all they want. I and many others will continue to raise our voices about this travesty of justice until something is done about it. Please sign the petition if you haven't already.
Reopen Investigation of Natalie Wood's death Petition
The authorities were genuinely saddened by Natalie Wood's death, a high-profile death that was bound to draw media attention. Little did they know, it would go on until this very year. That's because, these days, such a case would never have been closed within days. Today, the detectives would be as scrutinized as the cruise survivors would've been...comedians would be joking about them, and their actions would be all over the media. But, for some godforsaken reason, they are ALL getting a continued pass on this shabbily investigated case. It's easier for them to consider what I have contributed as part of the "farce of Natalie's death" but this case is no farce to me.
Her family, her friends, her colleagues, the media, and those who we would expect to bring Natalie Wood justice can remain "politely quiet" all they want. I and many others will continue to raise our voices about this travesty of justice until something is done about it. Please sign the petition if you haven't already.
Reopen Investigation of Natalie Wood's death Petition
It appears there's something fishy about Rasure, Marti, but you are probably right. He was lazy but probably because he couldn't wrap the possibility of such a heinous crime around his brain.
ReplyDeleteIs there a specific number of signatures needed on the petition before it's submitted to the authorities? Or a target date for its delivery?
ReplyDeleteI agree -- I think it was an instance where the authorities were star-struck and unwilling to believe that foul play could've been involved in this case. The investigators may be embarrassed by their unprofessionalism (hindsight is 20/20) and still may be holding on to hope that this can be kept swept under the carpet.
Times are radically different today and many suspicious cases are re-examined on various TV shows throughout cable. The 24-hour news cycle just adds to the hype in high profile cases. There's no doubt in my mind that if Natalie's death occurred now, the case would have the media all over it like a bad rash.
There was a recent episode of Mythbusters that reminded me of Natalie. In it, the three Mythbusting assistants were deprived of food, sleep, and kept in a refrigerated truck for awhile, then they were told to do a variety of physical and mental activities. The results were recorded. Then they repeated the "torture" process, each one was slapped hard across the face, and they did more physical and mental activities. Turns out that all three performed significantly better on the tests after being slapped. They described the slap as charging them up and getting them more focused.
The reason this reminded me of Natalie was because it could point to Natalie not being completely conscious when she slipped into the water, but after hitting the water she could've become more lucid and started calling for help. That would explain how she could slip into the water quietly without a big struggle, yet still be conscious enough a few minutes later to ask for help.
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That has always sounded the most plausible to me, otherwise she would have fought him tooth and nail. I wouldn't mind Rasure being involved in a little slap therapy. I'll even volunteer to administer the test. He's being quiet because of embarrassment? Oh, ok, that certainly ranks higher than a woman's death. He is an unrepentant villain even though I don't know his reasons for his actions. Surely, embarrassment doesn't explain him making up a lie about Natalie learning to swim? Now he has gone past embarrassment and something more baffling is at work here. Who manufactures evidence solely to save face?
ReplyDeleteYou are being to kind, Marti. Rasure's response about learning to swim is a cover up. Why does he feel the need to lie? Why come out with such a preposterous comment in response to the book? I'm sure he is embarrassed but IMO, he wants this to go away because he has something to hide. Maybe he is afraid of losing his pension?
ReplyDeleteHe knows that Wagner lied but did he publicly label him as a liar as he did with Dennis? Nope!
I agree with all of you. I am angry with Rasure, make no mistake about that, and there very likely could be hidden things involved, but with his age now, maybe Rasure isn't necessarily lying, but "forgetting"??? To be honest, I don't know. He won't talk to me. I'm going to see if he'll talk to the CNN producer again who got that information from him. I'm trying to get to the bottom of Rasure's unprofessional and bizarre reactions to the truth of Natalie's death.
ReplyDeleteAs for the petition...it will be submitted soon. More to come on that.
Marti, why don't you take the most easy and sensible route. Make an appointment with the LA DA's office they can't deny you an appointment. When you and Dennis land at LAX call the local media and let them know that you and Dennis have arrived in LA and are on route for an appointment with the DA to request a re-investigation of the death of Natalie Wood, it's called a media blitz this should arouse plenty of attention.
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When the petition is submitted, along with an official request for the case to be reopened, the media will be informed.
ReplyDeleteI tend to agree with R. Time to shake things up. Change the status Quo.
ReplyDeleteHow old is he? Wagner is 80 and he still claims to remember things, so I don't think Rasure gets a pass on age. Especially since this was a high profile case and one of his wife's "favorite actresses" was involved. It should stand out in his memory. I know lots of elderly people with less than stellar recall. They don't make up stories in lieu of rememberances. Someone needs to put the fire to this guy's feet and let's see what's really going on.
ReplyDeleteP.S. Let's not forget the despicable act of taking Natalie's death photo. Clearly, this was an important case to him. Forget it? I don't think so. Rasure has a whole lot of explaining to do.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Anonymous 2:42. Why everyone involved looks the other way is plainly too strange. I can't believe the media isn't all over this. It boggles my mind.
ReplyDeletebut why did he dislike Dennis but believe Wagner. they told the same story....NAH! there is more to this "investigation" .Rasure is not innocent in this. He's had YEARS to right this wrong. He knows Wagner lied. He knew long before your book was written, but not a word from him on that but ask him about Dennis and he calls him a liar
ReplyDeleteAlso, a professional homicide guy does not think that the husband of the dead wife would never harm her. That's not how a homicide detective thinks! Every death that is not of natural causes is a potential homicide. A good cop looks for foul play. He closed this case in 3 days, he barely questioned Wagner, did not check anyone for marks. He treated Wagner and Walken differently than he treated Dennis and 3 days later, the case is closed? the case was closed before the autopsy was complete. She had bruises all over her body and the lead guy does not think the husband would hurt and case closed? Marti, there more to this and Rasure knows it!
I wonder if his wife being a fan of Natalie influenced him at all. His wife may have sang the "Oh, he loved her so much" song.
ReplyDeleteHmmm, lots of good points about Rasure's behavior. It sure does look like payola is/was involved.
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If his wife influenced his cases, he should have hung up his shield even sooner than he did. In every element of this case he went against textbook investigating procedures. He chose to look the other way for reasons known only to him. His fear of embarassment is justified. As soon as his non-investigation is exposed he will feel the full sting of his part in this travesty. Now that's justice. I hope Natalie's photo becomes a reminder of his epic negligence and failure in this case instead of the morbid souvenir he made it.
ReplyDeleteI find it strange that Rasure went to Dennis and RJ for follow up interviews instead of them going to him. Does anyone else find that strange? Is that proper or standard procedure? Seems like no one wanted to step on any toes in this investigation...don't rile the stars.
ReplyDeleteI don't think it's unusual for detectives to go to the person they need to interview instead of the other way around. Unless someone is a suspect you don't really have the authority to make them appear anywhere. An example of celebrity privilege is when they are told to turn themselves in by a given time, and your average joe gets his door kicked in and gets dragged away in front of his neighbors. You're absolutely right, though, that they are treated with kid gloves and no one wants to "rile" them.
ReplyDeleteThe fact that Walken sent Rasure a thank you note for not treating him as a suspect screams celebrity privilege and if he tip toed around Walken we can only imagine how he treated Wagner.
ReplyDeleteGood point. There's one of your smoking guns. A thank you note for not being treated like a suspect at a death scene? Jeez, only in Hollywood.
ReplyDeleteThe original investigation team and the Coroner are all old now and retired. They can't discuss the case outside the parameters of the case even if that, it all depends on the scope of the confidentiality agreement they signed when they retired as public law enforcement employees/officials. The only way they can talk about the case is through deposition or subpoena. Here is the most sensible scenario - The original investigation team is questioned, they of course will lie, they will say that they based their final determination on Natalie's death on 60% witness questioning, 20% Coroners findings, and 20% on site conditions. With Dennis coming forward and admitting he lied when questioned and that Wagner and Walken also lied the original investigation team is going to say 'those three lied we based most of our conclusion on what they told us they were there, so you can't blame us for a botched investigation we were lied to by three witnesses' it will end up as a finger pointing match and no Judge will put up with that, the Judge will deem everyone not credible and throw the case out. The only good thing about that is if it gets that far it WILL be public. I feel for you Marti, you have a very tough nut to crack.
ReplyDeleteThey can discuss it and they have discussed it in books, magazines and on television without a deposition or a subpoena. So much for the "confidentiality agreement".
ReplyDeleteThere is no predicting what a DA and then a Judge will do, especially due to the fact that the case is tainted by celebrity. That way make it appear that the judge is being swayed by the celebrity factor. Even if it never reached a judge, all eyes with be on Robert Wagner and the public will know that he lied to the police about the death of his wife and waited 4 hours to call the Coast Guard to report his wife missing. It won't a shining moment for Rasure either. Wagner lied and Rasure coddled him. Good luck, Marti!
It may never reach a judge but Wagner's reputation will be destroyed and that will follow him to his grave. The public will know the truth. If that's where it ends, so be it. The public will know what he is and what he did to Natalie. That will be her justice.
ReplyDeleteThe "cofidentiality agreements" exsist. Yes they have discussed the case but none of them have provided information outside the box what you don't understand is that they can only discuss the original findings and information they can not add information or deny information they have to keep themselves within the limits of the documented information, it's kind of hard to explain and very detailed but some people would understand. When Rasure made the crack about Natalie learning how to swim he was being a smart ass, that was not new information.
ReplyDeleteIf a confidentiality agree existed Noguchi could not have written a book dealing with all of the high profile celebrity deaths he dealt with and Rasure could not appear on TV and discuss the case in any way, shape or form and neither could any cop or D.A. and it happens every day. Look at Vincent Bugliosi, he wrote Helter Skelter. That was a very high profile case and he held nothing back. Marcia Clark retired as an L.A. D.A, and wrote a detailed book about the OJ Simpson trial.
ReplyDeleteRasure made up the swimming story to cover his butt.
Rasure, in all seriousness, made the statement about Natalie learning to swim to a CNN producer doing an article on reopening the Natalie Wood case. Rasure flat-out lied to her. He was not being a smart ass. He made his claim in all seriousness. It was so serious that the producer actually questioned his reasoning abilities afterwards.
ReplyDeleteAlso, it was a phone call Walken made to thank Rasure, not a thank-you card.
We're hoping the department will agree that the case was based on lies and that those lies alone should be enough for the reopening of the case. If they refuse, they refuse justice, the very thing they are supposed to represent.
Also, there is nothing Dennis can't say about this case. He was a participant.
ReplyDeleteThat would make sense, Marti, that the lies that were told would be a reason to take another look at the case rather than refuse to look at it because lies were told.
ReplyDeleteI agree. Walken, Wagner and Dennis were participants of the cruise. They all experienced the weekend. They all clammed-up when asked questions and they lawyered-up. A few lies were told, but it's more that they withheld information over all else. That the authorities did not have proper infomation to close or keep the case opened for says it all...there was no thorough investigation and there should've been...even to this day. Every mysterious death as much! Dennis was a witness. He can talk about it, but we want his account in the hands of the authorities. Hopefully, they will agree it's long overdue for a real investigation into Natalie's death.
ReplyDeleteHi Marti, I agree too, it is way overdue for Justice for Natalie, I pray very soon they will reopen Natalie's case. I have pushed the petition and your blog to my friends and family through emails, facebook, my own website, I talk to anyone who wants to hear and maybe some who don't. I have gotten many to sign the petition and I'm not stopping. Thank you Marti for all you have done and tell Dennis to stand strong. Thanks Pam
ReplyDeleteBugliosi and Clarks books were memoirs coming close but never penetrating the boundries, Noguchi's book was published in the United Kingdom. The agreements exsist it's standard procedure for all law enforcement employees/officials. I'm sorry you don't understand.
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ReplyDeleteThank you for helping so much with the petition. With the exception of one day in January, we've been getting signatures daily. To hear "I'm not stopping" is wonderful. The more enlightened about the need to really take a look at Natalie's case, the better. We've come so far.
Two years ago, thousands upon thousands had to settle for the "banging dinghy" theory, a totally fabricated story. Now, those thousands know better, and many more will know better, too. Dennis is very strong. If only Walken could summon the courage to be truthful!
Anon. 10:29: I discussed the case with Salerno. I did not divulge in the book ALL that he had told me when we had our conversations. He was helpful to a certain extent and let me know how I could find out more, which I have. We don't need the retired case detectives or coroner to discuss anything. We'd much prefer the opinion of an independent, expert coroner. The authorities who were on the case are the ones that made mistakes. We're looking for corrections. Nothing needs to be discussed with them -- we want a new look at Natalie's case. It would only be fair for the previous authorities to admit the case deserves another look, but if they don't, it has no bearing on our mission.
Bugliosi's and Clark's books were detailed accounts of the respective investigations and trials. Noguchi's book was published in the USA by Simon and Schuster. If confidentiality agreements were signed, none of these books could have been written. I'm sorry YOU don't understand.
ReplyDeleteMark Fuhrman wrote a book about the OJ Simpson case. Obviously, there are no confidentiality agreements.
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First Edition Publisher Corgi (british publishing division of Random House)
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Coroner to the Stars was published in 1984 in the UK but the the original book, Coroner was published in 1983 by Simon and Schuster in the United States. Coroner was written, published, promoted and sold in the USA before the UK publication. Same book, same authors but a different title in the UK.
ReplyDeleteRecords show Simon and Schuster UK division base Company in London first release in the UK 1983 second release Corgi UK 1984. Regardless of the American releases the book was first released in the UK. Conversation over. Move on if you can.
ReplyDeleteNoguchi's book was based on the NON-INVESTIGATED lame theory that Natalie was tending a noisy dinghy. Paul Miller, who came up with the added theory that Natalie had clung to the dinghy and tried to kick her way to shore admitted later that he solely created the scenario in his own mind. If Natalie clung to the dinghy, she did not do much kicking. My socks test proves that socks -- ALL varieties, but especially wool socks -- do not stay on kicking feet in water.
ReplyDelete"Records show", nice try. The book was originally published as "Coroner" in the United States by Simon and Schuster. You can sing the song and re-write the words all day long, that will not change the fact that "Coroner" was published in the US in 1983, in the UK in 1984 and most of us know that.
ReplyDeleteLOL, if the "records show" what you claimed, that's what you would have said, originally. You are so obviously making it up as you go along because you obviously don't have a clue. Conversation over. Move on if you can. LOLOL
I did not know about the 1983 Simon and Schuster first release in the UK but I do now and so do you.
ReplyDeleteMarti, I agree with you totally.
You didn't know it because it's not true. The book was published in the United States as Coroner and a year later in the UK as Coroner to the Stars.
ReplyDeleteAgreeing with Marti will not make what you are saying more credible. LOL
Look I don't know who you are or what your agenda is but your making this wonderful blog an unpleasant place to post and this is something time after time Marti has stated she does not want here. This conversation is over. If you persue it any further you are breaking Marti's wishes and I hope she deals with you.
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ReplyDeleteI agree with you also. Noguchi is the one who made sure he could profit as fast as possible from a book. He is supposed to be a professional and neglected to take crucial details into consideration when explaining this awful death to us. Warren Harris' book, horrile. Lana's book was rather entertaining, and then we waited far too many years for truth to seep through the cracks of denial. As one poster said, you've still got a hard one to crack. If anyone can do it I see it being you. It's apparent in your book you know more about this case than Dennis himself.
horrible is the word I'm sure you can see in reference to the book RJ and Natalie, or was it Natalie and RJ? I actually forget.
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ReplyDeleteMarti wants THE TRUTH one her blog, she does not want stories being contrived by someone who is obviously trying to justify the silence of the authorities in Natalie's case by making up a ludicrous story about confidentiality agreements signed by retired public servants who served in the criminal justice system. Marti KNOWS that's not true and I'm sure she does not want people who read her blog to repeat the lies that are being told and have her blog connected with those lies.
Typing too fast, Marti wants the truth ON her blog.
ReplyDeleteit's "Natalie & RJ", of course.
ReplyDeleteHarris's book was not that bad, it reminds me of an informational book like a text book, it's a good read for the novice Natalie and RJ fan just getting acclimated with the stars. I don't think Warren wrote the book to ruffle any feathers he just used general and tabloid information to make a buck.
ReplyDeleteActually, it would not be good for people just getting to know Natalie and RJ because it was filled with tabloid gossip and unsubstantiated rumors. Harris' used previously published articles in his book and he did not bother to change the words, he copied the articles, verbatim. It is one of the worst biographies I have ever read. Those who like that book don't seem to possess the knowledge of Natalie and RJ to be able to make the judgment. That's one book I would skip over if I was becoming interested in Natalie.
ReplyDelete"Justify the silence" that is a really mean, cruel, and uncalled for assumption to make. They are silent because they obviously screwed up and they are bound by the code of ethics and agreements agreed to when they were public employees otherwise any of them could have said anything they wanted and made huge bucks. They are bound together and they remain silent for a reason, a reason we might not never know about.
ReplyDeleteThe Harris book is just a bunch of reworded movie magazine and tabloid poppycock. I hate that book but I guess anyone who loves the gossipy side of Hollywood would love it.
ReplyDeleteIt's ususally true that officials don't speak much publicly about cases, especially controversial ones, but in this day and age, they often do. Prominent new investigative shows have changed things. We see many oficers discussing cases on these shows. It's not that they are not allowed to (unless the case is pending a court trial), it's that many have scruples, and choose to not talk about unclear things. This case needs to get reopened. Detective Rasure defended himself on many shows about Natalie's death. He's the one who needs to be asked some hard questions. He totally ignored SEVERAL witnesses. He didn't even interview the Coast Guard CAPTAIN who retrieved Natalie from the ocean and had many professional things to contribute to the case!
ReplyDeleteMaking up a ridiculous story about the signing of confidentiality statements that did not and do not exist is what is cruel, mean and uncalled for.
ReplyDeleteThe reason for their silence is obvious to anyone who read GNGS.
Bound by a code of ethics? What ethics? They have no ethics. They are afraid to have this case re-examined.
ReplyDeleteMajor players who were on the right side of the law have written about very controversial cases, Fuhrman and Clark could not have been more direct in their books. They worked for justice. Rasure did not. That's why Fuhrman and Clark wanted to tell their stories and Rasure and Salerno do not.
There's nothing ridiculous about it, when the case is re-opened you will see. You reek of animosity and that's what hinders people from posting on this wonderful blog, I hope Marti will take care of this situation.
ReplyDeleteAs I said before, I spoke openly with Salerno about Natalie's case, and I couldn't have handed him anything more: no holds barred! He was told ALL.
ReplyDeleteStill, he decided to look the other way. He refused to right a wrong, as Rasure is doing. Now, we go around Salerno. We go around all who sacrifice true justice to save face. Make no mistake about it, we can and will go around them.
It's true, Marti. They could have (should have) helped speed up the process for a long overdue review of this travesty, but they chose to continue covering their mistakes. They are the cover-up. Instead of helping you, they turned away. They would not look so bad if they could admit they based findings on lies. No one would hold that against them, but this is too much. I hold it against them now because they are obstructing justice. I have no doubt truth will prevail, and what a dark spot this will be on their otherwise purposeful career records. They can't talk because of agreements? That's hogwash! They don't even talk amongst themselves. Or do they?
ReplyDeleteAnimosity? Hardly. I know that people who retire from public service in law enforcement in LA do not sign confidentiality agreements. I am being truthful and sticking to the facts. If they signed such agreements, the books I referred to would not have been written, the authors would not have appeared on talk shows promoting their books and bureaucracy that they dealt with would not have been written about in detail in their books along with stories of confidential, behind the scenes conversations. Rasure does not speak out because he wants it all swept under the rug as he allowed a murderer to get away with murder.
ReplyDelete...and live a 'charmed life' on top of it!
ReplyDeleteI'm not in this disagreement but I'm going to throw in my two cents anyway. There is no situation for Marti to take care of. You threw out your confidentiality baloney and you got called on it. That's when your feathers always get ruffled. No one is hindered from posting on this blog. We all state our opinions freely and for the most part respectfully. I am positive that you are the poster that gives cryptic messages to Marti. BUT, that's not the issue at hand is it? You can't throw out statements without backing them up and then get mad when people don't take your word for it. You do not possess information that we are not privy to and their will be no big reveal in the end that will show us all. Just stick to the facts at hand. Rasure and Salerno are covering their incompetent derrieres for reasons of their own choosing.
ReplyDelete"Or do they?" you better bet your sweet bippy that after GNGS came out they talked. You have a better chance of seeing Lady Gaga at your doorstep than the original investigation team ever budging any information. Marti you need to stimulate or excite the media in some way. Have you ever though of confronting Wagner in public like maybe when the paparazzi is around?
ReplyDeleteI'm sure she knows that's terrible advice. Who would the media listen to? The "celebrity" of course. The paparazzi aren't going to take the time to find out who Marti is and if she has a legitimate accusation. She is proceeding the right way and getting all of her ducks in a row. To do anything else would be foolhardy.
ReplyDeleteI agree, that's terrible advice and Marti is far to savvy and smart to take such advice.
ReplyDeleteWas the OP advising her? or just throwing something out there. Aren't we all in this together? Why is everyone being so critical. Every thought, every idea should be considered this is a tough situation. Marti can speak and think for herself, why are people here doing that for her? United we stand.
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ReplyDeleteI'm sorry but I smell a RAT on this blog. It is the same stench I've smelled hundreds of times before but let us remember to keep our friends close and our enemies closer...
I agree. We've been down this road a million times before and will do so again. Whenever things get slow at the forum, this blog suddenly gets active again. This person thinks we don't recognize their posts whenever they show up. I think the "united we stand" person is the confidentiality poster, the bad advice poster and also the "saavy" poster who disagreed with their own advice. All tactics we have seen before. I have enjoyed the recent peace at this blog and out of respect for Marti will say no more.
ReplyDeleteI appreciate "united we stand" -- everyone here would like to see this case reviewed. We'll accept what comes from it, but our main objective is to see this case be given the consideration it was denied by professionals. I'm the "amateur investigator" -- the only thing I was privy to was Dennis's experience, but even without it, so many things went unanswered in relation to Natalie's death. When so many questions linger about a case, it sure doesn't mean things were wrapped-up tightly. The media wants what we want: professional input into this case. We're working toward that very result.
ReplyDeleteThis is what is posted on the Oprah show.
ReplyDeleteThe Oprah Winfrey Show will come to an end in 2011, but before 'it's a wrap', who do you want to see sitting next to Oprah?
Well I filled it out, and said I wanted to see Robert Wagner in the hot seat with Marti, Dennis and the detectives there, now I gave information to this blog so they could take a look at the information that Marti and Dennis have given.. I would only want this if the case was not to be reopen because I would not want anything to happen that would stop the case from being reopened. Thanks, Pam
It's been a long up hill battle for you, Marti. Whatever the end result, no one can say that you did have given it all that you have to give and then some. You been attacked by people who know nothing about you or about what you are made of, all in the name of dusting off Robert Wagner. For most of us who post on this blog it's all about Natalie and always has been. We support the truth, we support you, we support Natalie. When this case is re-examined, everyone will see what we see. I want the younger fans to know the truth as well as those who remember where they were when we lost Natalie. If that becomes the only justice she will have, so be it. The truth will be Natalie's justice.
ReplyDeleteIt takes so long, it's frustrating, but we trust you're really trying Marti. I can't wait for the petition to be turned in. I hope that will be soon. Dennis' story is big. For the life of me, I can't understand how it is ignored by a justice system.
ReplyDeletePam, Oprah would be great. That's exactly what we need, a powerful woman to take hold of this case, to attach her name to this case. This is a woman's story if I ever saw one. I'm not saying that men are not getting it, many are, but we need a powerful woman to help Marti in giving Natalie a voice and her justice.
ReplyDeleteI think the petition should have a minimum of 1000 signatures before it is turned in. That is a substantial number and clearly doable given the petition info is in the paperback. Marti said 2011 would be Natalie's year. Well, it's finally here and I for one can wait for things to unfold in the most effective way possible. This might be Natalie's last chance for justice. Don't we all want to see the strongest case possible for reopening her death? That takes patience and time. Steady, people, we'll get there.
ReplyDeletethe petition has grown tremendously in the last few weeks, new names on a daily basis. It's exciting to see that happening. People are getting it.
ReplyDeleteIt's not Dennis' story that is being ignored by the justice system, it's Natalie's story.
ReplyDeleteGreat comments, everyone. I'm confident we'll get to a good point for Natalie. Yes, this is about Natalie and it is her story being denied, but it is also Dennis's courageous witness account that helps bring Natalie a voice. I don't want anyone thinking that Dennis and I have lived in fear... we've had everyday, normal lives and we enjoy our friends and family and we work hard at our chosen work, but we both experienced concern over the steps we were willing to take in defense of Natalie's tragedy. We've put ourselves "out there" and we both agreed we were willing to live with the results of our efforts, no matter what it would bring, and sometimes we worry about our choice, but we have no regrets.
ReplyDeletePam, thank you for filling out a form for Oprah. SOmeone else wrote me last year and said they filled it out too. I think a lot of media outlets and figures would love to take on this story but their legal departments advise them not to. We would NEVER have been published if not for the brazen Michael Viner. We don't expect anyone to take risks for us, but we sure appreciate it when people do. Because, ultimately, it IS for justice for Natalie. We never lose sight of that. Never.
I would also like to thank Pam for helping to spread the word about Natalie. I think we all try in our own way and hopefully the cumulative effect will have real impact. I will also fill out a form for Oprah but I do have concerns. I wonder if Wagner has any business interests that cross-pollinate with ABC or the OWN network. If he does that will put an automatic kill on the story. Also, this is Oprah's last year and I'm sure she wants to go out with good feelings that will carry over to her own network. She knows there is a "sacred cow" quality to Wagner's "persona". Will she risk pissing off his fans and the Hollywood that protects him? We know it's a gripping story, does Oprah have the courage to take it on? I hope so. Does anyone else feel concerned about this? Well, nothing ventured, nothing gained, I'm going to throw it into Oprah's court anyway and hope for the best.
ReplyDeleteOne of the things about that night that bothers me a great deal is that at the point at which Robert Wagner reported "someone" was missing from a boat, his next step was to open a bottle of Scotch and drink more than he already had. One would think that he would have wanted to have his wits about him so that he could be helpful in the search for his "missing" wife. One would think that he would ask Dennis to make a pot of coffee so that he could sober up and be as with it as they could possibly be. It does not make sense that this concerned husband chose to, of all things, drink more alcohol. He should have wanted to be as astute as could be so that he could be, as helpful as possible. Obviously, the police did not know that Wagner chose to drink after his half-hearted radio call but they know now! It was not Dennis who told them. It was Robert Wagner who told that story 20 years later. Curiously, he left that little ditty out of his own book. The reason I am bringing this up is that it is another fact that should have come up in the original investigation had Wagner told the truth. It is another aspect of Wagner's behavior that simply did not make sense and might have caused doubts about him in the eyes of a seasoned homicide detective had they known.
ReplyDeleteWagner is an 80 year old TV actor. His fan base is hardly large enough to cause concern for a women as celebrated and powerful as Oprah. She has taken on people who have vastly more power that Robert Wagner.
ReplyDeleteI agree, Robert Wagner is small potatoes compared to some of the people Oprah has taken on.
ReplyDeleteI hope you guys are right. I also think he's small potatoes, yet when he goes on NCIS the younger actors and even Mark Harmon seem to venerate him. Their interview in TV guide about Wagner made me want to puke. It seems whenever he goes on a show he turns on the phony charm and the cast of said show starts churning out more positive press for him. I'm not that familiar with Oprah's mettle but I hope you are right and she holds no similar good feelings about him.
ReplyDeleteRobert Wagner is a professional charmer, always has been, always will be.
ReplyDeleteOprah was one of the few shows Wagner did not appear on when he promoted his book. Maybe she was not interested in having him on, maybe he was afraid to go on. In his book promos the questions that were asked of him were so obviously prepared in advance. He knew what was coming and he rehearsed his responses. With Oprah, he might not have been able to go that route. When he is caught off guard, he mumbles and stumbles over his words. Robert Wagner would never put himself in the position of being dominated in an interview.
Thank you Marti and Anonymous, I don't think Oprah is afraid of anyone, she is a very powerful women. who ever she backs win's,and I don't find her backing Wagner. You know the funny thing is "small potatoes" those two words fit so Wagner, It was NATALIE WOOD WHO WAS AND ALWAYS WILL BE THE STAR! How the people of the world can let this happen is be on me. As I have said before I'm not stopping, twice a day I post on facebook, I send email's out. I come to Marti blog and read what you all are writing and it's just makes me want to do more. My next step is I'm going to make up bumper stickers and put them on my two car's. a sign out front. Well that will give me something to do this weekend.
ReplyDeleteWagner made so many mistakes and still the man is on the wrong side of some bar's. I have his book and at this point I'm not going to read it, but last night I did want to look at the pictures and couldn't help but read some of the headers and they alone make me sick, so what does that tell you. Thank you all for all your own in sight. Pam
Yes, Wagner would never put himself into the position of truly being interviewed, he has too much to lose and it's scrutiny his story could never hold up to. The good news is we don't need Wagner in the hot seat on Oprah. We need Marti, Dennis, Marilyn, Roger etc. on the show. It can be presented strictly as their experience with the case. The audience should be as interested as we all are. I predict that if it ever happens, Wagner will still remain silent or express his "disappointment" in Oprah for doing the show.
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ReplyDeleteYou are so right. We don't need him up there babbling and umming and telling Oprah how "wonderful" she is, being the ultimate phony. We have the real deal, Marti, Dennis, Marilyn, Roger. We have the truth.
Pam, his book is a mass of lies. It was ghost written by Scott Eyman who did some very careless research. The fact that Wagner needed his own life to be researched speaks volumes about the credibility of the book. Wagner told out right lies about things that would have rusted his armor. But did we expect the truth from Robert Wagner? In his writing about the night Natalie died, one can almost see his lawyer standing over his shoulder advising him on what to say and what not to say.
ReplyDeleteYes, Natalie's "trusted" lawyer and "friend".
ReplyDeletePam, you are amazing to be spreading this story the ways that you are. Thank you so much. Every day I try to do something to get someone to take interest in this story because I believe it deserves attention. Even if it's just a little post somewhere online to mention Natalie and her death injustice. I've been doing it for years, long before the book, and I will do it for many years down the road. Some people may say I'm wasting my time, but I have never felt that way.
ReplyDeleteYes, there are so many injustices in this world. We look to the law to protect us and to resolve those injustices. Or we join together, as we all did with the tragic Tucson shooting this week. How horrid is that heinous crime? The 9-year old girl...I can barely think about it without my heart breaking for her parents...for her future stolen from her. The only thing we can do is to try to be a better society. Those things our president said Wednesday night are true. Whether you like Obama or not, his words were so valid. It's our responsibilty to make a better family, a better neighborhood, a better community, and if it starts at that level, it spreads. I know this sounds like political rhetoric, or rambling, but it's not. We all fill with emotion over things we take issue with. The Natalie Wood story came to me and I instantly felt obligated to it. People who like to say I did this to improve my own life (financially) are wrong. I also can understand why they thought less of me because of mistakes I made in handling what I learned about Natalie's death, but those were mistakes made from confusion, no direction, a feeling of hopelessness because I recognize I'm a small spec in a huge world. That's why we also depend on media. We expect reporters and journalists to see the truth behind people with huge stories. Okay, I guess I am rambling now, but, I sensed from the beginning that it would take people -- regular people -- the public, to define Natalie's case, and I am not disappointed one bit in the people who care about justice in this case where the law has failed not only the public, but the victim, Natalie Wood. So many of you have sacrificed your own time for this story, too, and I will forever be grateful to all of you.
Sorry, sometimes I need to vent. Thank you again, Pam, and each and every one of you.
As for Oprah, I hope she one day speaks for Natalie. I admire Oprah, always have, and I believe she could work wonders. I believe Phoenix sent a book to the Oprah staff. I have no clue if it ever reached her. Thank you to the other person here who said you'd fill out an Oprah form. Every efort helps.
To Pam:
ReplyDeleteI was disgusted with Wagner's book, but I suggest you read it. LOL, it might infuritate you to the point you hire a banner plane, but in all seriousness, it's necessary to read to understand the deep pychosis of this public "gentleman."
To Marti:
ReplyDeleteI was writing my message to Pam and saw your post after. Your sincerity is evident in your words. You've got alot of support and your book has ensured this topic will never go away. Nice post. Nice work. Thank you.
Speaking of Scott Eyman...Wagner's writer...he wrote a review of Lambert's book that bashed Natalie all to hell...said she doesn't truly deserve legendary status and that she ruined West Side Story. I'll find the review and post it. This is the writer Wagner would choose?
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I want to read that review and I dread it at the same time. I just know it's going to make me furious. Natalie definitely has legendary status and had it even before her death. She was accepted as an equal among the Hollywood greats despite her young age. Wagner robbed her of the chance to reach that status again with a younger generation. I'm glad you got a chance to "vent" and I thank you for giving us that chance every day.
ReplyDeleteMorning. "Thank you Marti" you inspire me with what you have done most of all and with your words here what you inform us,I don't find it venting at all I find it even more inspiring, I thank you from the bottom of my heart.
ReplyDeleteTo Anonymous:8:38pm you are right he doesn't need to be on Oprah but boy I would love to see him squirm like a worm with Oprah,Marti,Dennis and yes Marilyn, Roger, Dr Lyn and I still would like to throw in our two detectives.
Anonymous:10:06pm One day I may read his book or maybe listen to it I like Audible for different reasons, by listing to his book it won't be my voice hearing the words spoken in my mind, this alone may help, because I don't think I could stomach my voice saying horrible things about Natalie. As Marti know's I have loved Natalie from the age of 10yrs old the first time I ever saw her and that was 43 yrs ago and I will never stop.
Anonymous: 10:52pm you are oh so right, Wagner robbed Natalie of even much more status of being beyond stardom she had big plans coming up with her career. young people who ask Natalie who? when I ask for one of her movies, I tell them you ever watch the movie Miracle On 34th Street the black and white? (which is on tv every year) and I get a "Oh yes" I tell them "THAT IS NATALIE WOOD THE LITTLE GIRL!" I get a Oh I love her. Then I go on to tell them to watch her movies and start naming them.
Thank you all. Pam
to the person who made reference to Natalie's "lawyer and friend". His name was Paul Ziffren and he was deceased when Wagner wrote his book.
ReplyDeletePam, I purchased the Audio version of Wagner's book. His voice does not change one iota when he discusses the death of his wife, it's the same tone as when he discussed other events in his life that were meaningless, in comparison. There was more emotion in his voice when he discussed his deceased dog, Larry. In reading and listening to his pack of lies, I noticed that when he wrote and spoke of Natalie's death, his grief was for himself, when he wrote and spoke of David Niven's death, his grief was for Niven.
ReplyDeleteIf you read the book, let us know what you think but keep in mind that he lied throughout his book whenever the topic was one that could put a few wrinkles in those perfectly pressed trousers, put a yellowish tinge on those gleaming white teeth.
Thanks Anonymous:8:30am, got a laugh out of your comment on his trousers and his yellowish teeth. LOL. If I read the book I will let you all know here. I didn't know he reads the book on the Audible NOW that is sick, I listen to Natasha for one it is Lana Wood, but I got to tell you I'm batting 0 on Wagner's book....LOL What I would really like to do is mail it back to him shaded up, if anyone knows his address believe me I would do it, with a note why. Thanks. Pam
ReplyDeleteOh yes, Pam, he did the reading. Would he have had it any other way?
ReplyDeletePam, believe me, we would ALL love to have that guy's address.
ReplyDelete666 Liar's Lane
ReplyDeleteASSpen, Colorado
Thank you Anonymous 2:26pm: I have printed it out.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous 11:31am, I love it, no I don't think he would have it any other way.
Pam, I can't tell by your answer, you know I was kidding about the address, right?
ReplyDeleteLOL Anon 3:42pm I see the meaning now, I printed it so fast I really didn't look, but I have to tell you it fits. Thanks for the laugh. Pam
ReplyDeleteLOL, Pam, good thing you didn't send off a letter. The post office might've been knocking at your door.
ReplyDeleteI know I'm supposed to be on a "high road" and expected to delete those kind of posts, but sometimes the high road means allowing good sarcasm, too.
Yes Marti sometime you just have to let a good sarcasm laugh just stand.
ReplyDeleteSaturday night we like to watch a good DVD movie and tonight I got to pick... You got it Natalie Wood, Inside Daisy Cover, now I have seen this one many of time when I was younger been many of year's but what a great movie I LOVED IT ALL OVER AGAIN. Sure is funny how it looks a little like her first marriage to Wagner!