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I applaud Eric for his concern and his willingness to explore Natalie's death, however, I don't think I would post it at your site. (just my two bit opinion) I don't mean for this to sound bitchy, but I found him a little odd, he doesn't feel credible and I already know the story. The facts are compelling and indisputable but I found my mind drifting during his monotone dissertation of them. Your site is interesting and vibrant about what happened, you can't help but want to do something about this injustice. Poor Eric, not so much. He also has several inaccuracies, like a Beatty affair ending Natalie's marriage and Wagner waiting for Beatty with a gun which you yourself said you thought was more drama than reality. I would be curious what other people think but I certainly would not let Eric lay out the case for new readers, especially at your blog.
ReplyDeleteYES! TO answer his last question.
ReplyDeleteThis is good because it reminds us of just what we are doing this for.
I know that Wagner is responsible for Natalie's death. It has been 30 years and soon Wagner will be dead. He has not had to answer for what he did. Not only has he not answered for what he did, he has played the grieving widow. The man who killed Natalie Wood has played the grieving widow for 30 years. This is like something out of a movie.
When Dennis described Wagner sweating and panting and disheveled looking at the moment Wagner told Dennis that Natalie was missing, Wagner did not look like that from sitting around relaxing on the boat. He looked like that because he had just done something terrible to Natalie Wood.
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ReplyDeleteGood advice and I pondered the same things you've brought up. What weighed in Eric's monotone favor is that he is totally independent of me and GNGS yet took it upon himself (obviously) to ask questions in a copyrighted video. I left a message at Eric's video on YouTube mentioning GNGS because it didn't seem to me that Eric had read the book, otherwise he may have corrected the few mistakes he included in his attempt to draw attention to the questions that still remain about Natalie's death.
So, I decided to share his video here where I can explain his errors...one of which you already brought up. There was no Beatty/Wood affair that broke up the Wagner's first marriage. And, I highly doubt Wagner chased Beatty with a gun. Maybe he had thought about it, but I think he used that fabrication to make it still appear that it WAS a Wood/Beatty affair that broke up the marriage to take the heat off Finstad's explanation in her book about why the first marriage ended. He probably also wanted readers to think he is capable of bizarre behavior but never carries anything to an extreme: like holding a gun and breaking a wine bottle, but that's the extent of it... he's a liar.
So, if people like Eric take the time to question these valid points about Natalie's death, even if Eric still needs some educating on this topic, I appreciate his efforts. We can all talk about this.
The affair between Wood and Beatty happened after Splendor, but Wagner mentions the gun thing in his own book. I think Eric deserves a pass on that one.
ReplyDeleteAgain, why would anyone wait 4 hours to report to the CG that his wife who can't swim and is afraid of dark water is missing from a boat in the late hours of the night. It didn't make sense then, it does not make sense now yet the "authorities" choose to ignore that little tidbit of info. That in itself SCREAMS culpability! Let's be real. Even if Dennis never shared what he saw and heard, even if Wagner never admitted to breaking the bottle, even if we were never told about the argument in the stateroom and on the rear deck. the 4 hour wait to call for a professional search is enough to raise a HUGE RED FLAG! It was totally ignored by the police. Did they know? Did they ask? Did they ask Roger Smith or the CG office what time they received the call? It's a question that should have been asked. Why was it ignored? Now we know and the police who "investigated" know, yet no one responds. The only person who questioned Wagner about the 4 hour wait was Smith and he was silenced. HMMMM
ReplyDeleteHow can anyone ignore this? It's a travesty. This case needs to be re-examined and Wagner needs to be re-questioned before it's too late.
I can understand why Eric did his video, I can see hurt. but in doing this, I wish he would have more of the facts and got them right, but he is asking. Thanks all, Pam
ReplyDeleteTo anonymous who wrote: "the 4 hour wait to call for a professional search is enough to raise a HUGE RED FLAG! It was totally ignored by the police. Did they know? Did they ask? Did they ask Roger Smith or the CG office what time they received the call?"
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No, Rasure did NOT know about the 4-hour wait. Waiting for Rasure was Pam Eaker's report (first repsonder from police)and she was told there was an immediate search for Natalie when they noticed she was missing. She didn't ASK any questions and put it in her report...the one Rasure used when he reached the scene, and Rasure went with it.
Think about it...the Island people who helped with the makeshift search were probably feeling guilty...Wagner sure didn't want it known he CHOSE to wait over 4 hours...and no one was talking. Roger Smith was angered because of the delay in calling the Coast Guard and he waited to be interviewed but NO ONE CONTACTED him, so he went to his boss, who told him to leave it alone, everything was wrapped up. This ate away at Roger and he pursued it, only to be transferred and demoted.
Marilyn Wayne called to report what she knew and was totally ignored.
The initial investigation into Natalie's death is the epitome of travesty of justice. ANd, I do blame Rasure, shorthanded or not, for allowing this travesty. He did not go by the book. He went with his sympathy for a "grieving husband."
The article written about GNGS at Bella online (posted here a few weeks ago) also includes many errors. However, the article got many new people to read GNGS....hopefully, the new readers remember to keep the facts straight when they convey the story. I appreciate the article so much. Eric's video is a reminder, too, that this is the way things get more convoluted in Natalie's case. It's important to really know the facts to understand each fact's implications. I appreciate all who who agree with the most important thing: the Natalie Wood case needs to be reopened!
ReplyDeleteI think Eric appears concerned. His questions seem put together from gathered information, not from your book Marti. One mistake he made was in saying the captain soundproofed the dinghy. That's impossible, and I don't recall that information from anything you have presented.
ReplyDeleteIt was the Splendour their stateroom that was sound proofed and her bedroom at home, I do believe, is this right Marti?
ReplyDeleteCan we please stop acknowledging Wagner's gun story? We all know that it's BS he made up to sound like a toughguy. I don't believe he even loved Natalie, but that he loved the idea of having her as a wife. I believe Suzanne's account, that they split because of his homosexual affair(s), and that she forgave him when he came back at a vulnerable time in her life. Wagner has been subject to such rumors since long before he even married her.
ReplyDeleteHe didn't make it up to sound like a tough boy. He made it up to make himself appear to be a victim. to show the reader what Natalie drove him to. That was another "poor me", from Robert Wagner. It's BS. Another Wagner lie.
ReplyDeletePam, the bedroom in the house on Canon Dr, was sound proofed.
ReplyDeleteKazan said the affair happened during Splendor he was there but is it true. It's obvious the infatuation was there. Was this another case of Wagner sensing "emotional unfaithfulness"? It was obvious in Cannes they were having an affair and short after all of the insinuations came true when they moved in together. I do believe RJ is bi although no one to this date has come forward to confirm it. If his bi-sexualness was way before the first marriage Natalie must have known about it and it must have not have bothered her she married him twice. There are things that happened behind closed doors that we will never know about and actualy is it any of our business
ReplyDeleteThen Kazan doesn't know what he's talking about and maybe wanted to pump up rumors for publicity because Natalie and Warren didn't even take to each other during the shooting of "Splendor in the Grass" and Beatty was engaged to Joan Collins at the time. Natalie was very much in love with Wagner at the time.
ReplyDeleteNatalie's career was moving fast, she was juggling a lot, and also helping Wagner to look for good parts. They were talking about seeking professional help from a therapist together because Natalie wanted desperately to help her husband with his career concerns at the time. Beatty left the scene fast after Splendor was filmed and Natalie and RJ were very much together.
The break-up of the first marriage had nothing to do with Warren Beatty and Natalie having an affair or even thinking about one. They didn't start seeing each other until the next year before the premiere of Splendor.
The home bedroom was soundproofed, according to many. Dennis says the Spelndour master stateroom had nothing special done to it, but was very secure sound-wise. He said the cabin that Walken stayed in had a thick rug in it that made the door hard to close...you really had to push on the door to open it, and Dennis says that would've really helped noise-proof that cabin. Dennis saw Walken sleeping shortly after Natalie was no longer on the boat...he said Walken really appeared to be in a sound sleep. Being everything was quiet when it was just Wagner and Dennis drinking for hours, he really doubts Walken heard anything. Maybe Walken heard the music, but Dennis doubts he heard much else.
With a mystery death involved, everything is everyone's business, especially when people like Eric make fact-challenged videoes.
ReplyDeleteKazan stuck that in there is sensationalize his book. He did that throughout his book. His wife, Barbara Loden, was there also. She wrote in her book that there was no affair between Natalie and Warren. She claimed that there was a coldness between them that made Kazan concerned about their love scenes.
ReplyDeleteBy the time Natalie and Warren went to Cannes, Wagner was living with Marion Marshall.
The "infatuation" was not obvious because when Natalie and Wagner split up even the first ladies of Hollywood gossip, Hedda Hopper and Louella Parsons, had no idea why the Wagner's split. It came out of the blue. If the "infatuation" was obvious, they would have seen it and reported it. The rumors about Natalie and Warren were started by Dorothy Kilgallen. She did this as a means of getting publicity for Beatty. She liked him, thought he was talented and a little publicity would not hurt. Kilgallen admitted to this before she died.
Natalie and RJ's break up was sudden and unexpected which corroborates Finstad's story of there break up, that Natalie caught him with a man in a sexual situation in their home. Why would she make up such a story? And Wagner did not sue. Another can of worms he did not want to open. She loved him so much, more than he deserved to be loved.
Eric is a perfect example of just how twisted and distorted this story has become over the last 30 years. He has some of it right and other parts of it wrong. That's about all the general public ever got ...wrong information mixed with absolute truth. We need more people like Eric to start asking questions, we need people to start getting noisey about their doubts of this case. I hope this is just the begining of a trend. I am confident that once Eric gets his hands on GNGS he will have many more answers than questions.
ReplyDeleteThat's why I left a comment at Eric's video, so that anyone viewing it will see that the answers are in GNGS.
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ReplyDeleteWho is to say Natalie didn't know? When she was 15 she was already telling her friends she wanted to marry him. Bobby Hyatt and Marianne, who are cited in Suzanne's book, apparently told her about the gay rumors and told her not to marry him. Even Natalie's own mother warned her about it and is quoted saying "Nothing good will come of this" when she heard about their engagement. Maybe I shouldn't be putting so much faith in Suzanne's book, but there were several reasons she accepted him back into her life. He had told her he spent years in therapy and that it would never happen again. She believed him because she wanted to believe him. He was still her ideal man (God knows why!?!?!) and she was extremely vulnerable. As to whether other homosexual affairs occured after they remarried, no one with credibility has made an allegation. Natalie made horrible choices when it came to the men in her life, that's no secret.
Yes, given what we know now, (or think we know) I was always stunned that she would marry him again given the reported circumstances of why the marriage broke up. It's hard to tell if Natalie's mother was basing her opinon on the fear of losing Natalie or she really had inside information. Wagner's agent was famous for having a stable of gay actors and he himself was gay. It makes it curious that Wagner would be tied to that particular agent. To be fair, homosexuality is understood far better than it was in those days. I can see Natalie rationalizing that it was an isolated incident or that he could "choose" to live a straight life. It's hard to imagine her having such a low point in her life that she could actually imagine him as a viable candidate for marriage again. I think the rationalization was better the devil you know, but as it turned out he had more sinister qualities than she could ever imagine.
ReplyDeleteAnon 5:01p:m, I believe you stated it right on the mark, What I find is the movie Inside Daisy Clover, a movie Natalie wanted very much and identified it with her life. I see the parallels to her first marriage to Wagner. Does any one else?
ReplyDeleteAnon 6:56pm you make very excellence point of views.
Natalie dated many homosexual men and even has affairs with them but I don't think she wanted it in her marriage. Thanks all. Pam
Marti,
ReplyDeleteI think you should take this video down. I know this guy means well but he is also kind of creepy!
Thanks Eric. We need all the help we can get.
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