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Saturday, September 18, 2010

Protecting Natalie

I may be opening a can of worms with this post but I am so frustrated with hearing every now and then the notion that Wagner hasn't spoken in detail about the night Natalie died in an effort to "protect Natalie." With that absurd theory, only one question comes to my mind: protect her from what? Even in your wildest imagination, what can anyone come up with as an explanation for such an absurd excuse for his silence? Make NO mistake about it, Wagner stays silent to protect himself and for no other reason. I'll give him an inch on protecting Natalie's daughters from hurtful truth, but then again, if he had exerted one drop of restraint that night, chances are their mother would still be with them today. That's all I have to say about this topic, but I welcome CREDIBLE input. How could anyone suggest such a thing?

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  1. Wagner's "fans" will go to any length to make excuses for him, for his actions. It's so pathetic. Anyone who read Gavin Lambert's book can see that he did not give a damn what anyone thought of Natalie. He was looking out for himself, his reputation. Those Wagner "fans" feel that he is hiding the truth to protect Natalie. I'm that's the same tune Wagner whistled to his kids.
    I have been looking at this from the day it happened. Robert Wagner protects Robert Wagner. I don't think he gives a damn about her.

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  2. No one listens to that baloney except for the Wagner zealots. We all know who he's protecting. The only time I have seen anyone talk about that on this blog, was when they were suggesting Wagner concocted a story like that so he could paint Natalie as the bad guy again. Then he would take the position of noble defender. I'm pretty sure that's what they meant. Not that it was a true part of this story. Maybe I'm missing something.

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  3. Yes, it is pure bunk how Wagner tries to explain the reason for his 29 years of silence. If Natalie needed any protection, she needed it from him and nobody else. She continues to need it.

    Even in death, she has continued to be violated by his words and what he has endorsed to be written about her (by Lambert).

    HOURS after she disappeared, Wagner was assaulting her character. Who does that when his wife is missing off a boat (or anywhere else?)

    His anger and resentment of her are not easily hidden. It is disgusting.

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  4. No, it is clear to me now that Wagner has only been protecting himself. In doing so, he has cut a wide path of destruction.

    To think that Lyndon Taylor, Roger Smith and Dennis Davern have not been able to put this to rest for the last 30 years is very telling--very telling indeed. I would make a wager that Mr Walken has not been able to either.

    I feel like one of the jurors in the movie "Twelve Angry Men." Little by little the truth is making itself known, and I am convinced beyond a reasonable doubt.

    It is very obvious to me now the act that Mr Wagner has put on (very convincingly) these past three decades.

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  5. I know someone who has been in Natalie's corner forever, who has no question about the truth of the night of her death, who hasn't a shred of doubt of what really happened the night Natalie died, but who still emails me when he sees Wagner on TV and admits the guy has a way of drawing sympathy. My friend doesn't buy it, but he admits that Wagner MUST be getting through to some people. Wagner may not be an A-class actor, but he does a good job of making it appear he is still crippled by the loss of Natalie in interviews: so "crippled" that he still can't speak about it. And a lot of the media buys right into it. When he toured for his book, not ONE interviewer delved beyond the crap they were served by Wagner. NOT ONE!

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  6. Yes, "protect Natalie" from what? Wagner makes it sound like there is additional information that would harm Natalie's memory if he talked about it. But, she has already been besmirched as the actress who got drunk and fell off her boat. If Wagner told the truth, THAT is what would restore Natalie's memory. Nothing this man says is genuine. He is a complete phony and liar.

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  7. Wagner's status as grieving widower has been etched into the public's consciousness. His age will garner him sympathy at this point too. The media will have to be relentless about this story in order to break it. If they back down after the first outcry of Wagner sympathizers the story will be lost again. They need to stay with it until everyone has actually listened to the facts. People need to remember that even the worst criminals eventually grow old and frail. It doesn't negate the evil that they have done before. Given time, people will see through Wagner's silky words and know who the real victim was that night.

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  8. I agree wholeheartedly, you said it well, you spoke the words that I think but am not as capable of expressing...

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  9. He has simply embraced the time honored axiom of "thats my story and I'm stickin' to it" even though he changes his story from time to time he only ever does it on his own terms and in a venue he can control. An example is his interview with Charlie Rose.
    (Here's the Link)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P40ezUal0RU&feature=related

    I'll save everyone the agony of having to watch the entire clip so just look at the 5:00 minute mark, he states his position quite clearly.
    He just doesn't talk to the press about it.

    Sadly for Natalie this stance has served him quite well for 30 years. It's going to take something extraordinary to get this man to say anything. Short of a court room, this man ain't ever gonna admit a goddamn thing.

    ~LunaticByTheSea.

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  10. That's my point. This man without a conscience is never going to do the right thing. Only Marti's facts and the media putting the fire to his feet will produce results. The mainstream media has been reluctant to do so. I think it's the hated Paparazzi that are going to bring about results. They're bored with Lindsay and Paris. This case has all the components of a great story, (albeit tragic) they most likely will run with it. Their lack of respect for celebrity will be a bonus this time. Wagner is no sacred cow to them. No matter how the story evolves, let's just hope it has the staying power it deserves. (Thanks for the kind words, Deborah)

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  11. I'm all for anything that could bring results. But how would a photo of wagner coming out of a restaurant or the Dr's office crack this wide open?...no disrespect intended but what is a Paparazzi gang going to provide?

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  12. No disrespect taken. I meant after Marti gets the story out and it catches fire, they will want to be part of it. Much like the tabloids, they don't just take pictures. Someone on the TMZ staff (and others of their ilk) will do some digging or will continue to trumpet Marti's message. The public will have the story in their face for quite awhile (hopefully). That gives nervous officials time to do something and try to save face. Or I'm full of crap and none of this will happen. Whatever. I would like to imagine Paparazzi leaping out at Wagner relentlessly, thus complicating his "charmed life".

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  13. What we need are the proper news media and experts involved again...which will happen. I know that results have been a long time coming, and it is frustrating having to wait yet again, but justice for Natalie is far from over. It will come.

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  14. As we all believe it will. I hope you're right about the proper news media doing the right thing this time. It's preferable to my scenario. People will be more inclined to listen to those they respect.

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  15. P.S. the proper news media is only as free as Corporations and powerbrokers let it be. So far in that media, Natalie's story has been the stepchild no one wants to take possession of. I'm thrilled that you have found the people you need for this story.

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  16. I think some of it is fear of a law suit. Remember Richard Jewell? We are talking about murder, not an affair or a story about his sexuality. We are talking about accusing him of killing his wife. Even if he is accused of only a cover up, the story always ends the same way. Natalie died and Wagner did whatever was in his power to cover it up. I think the mainstream press in afraid of this story.
    It astounds me that Wagner has been one big no comment about this. If someone accused me of murder and a cover up I would have something to say to someone.
    He is very uncomfortable when asked about Natalie in interviews. It goes beyond not liking to talk about it. He is visibly uncomfortable when he talks about it. He falls all over himself. Can you guys imagine if GNGS came out BEFORE his book? He would have made it clear before all of his interviews that the topic of GNGS not be brought up and he would have had little or nothing to say about Natalie.

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  17. Did Wagner actually make the statement "protect Natalie" because if he did he did not do a good job cause a whole lot of trash was printed about her after her death in the tabloids. The again we don't know what went on in their personal life, another thing I found strange is the absolute silence from the ring of her closest friends after her death and to this day.

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  18. Anonymous at 12:39 PM--

    I have always wondered, too, about Natalie's many friends, to whom she was so loving and generous. I realize that some of them were on Wagner's payroll or otherwise had split loyalties between Natalie and Wagner. However, the only well-known person I know of that has objected to the "official" version is Robert Blake, and he's not exactly a pillar of virtue, of course, so he wouldn't hold much sway.

    In Suzanne Finstad's book, Blake said that there was not enough alcohol in the world to make Natalie drunk enough to go near dark, deep water like that. It just wouldn't have happened. And I believe that.

    But back to Natalie's large swath of friends--were they all afraid of Wagner and the repercussions of speaking out? Do they continue to be? Or did they also buy into the idea of "not hurting the children" and let it go?

    Are they waiting for Wagner to pass away? A while back, a poster said that most of Hollywood doesn't buy the "official" version of what happened. So, why has there been such silence? I conclude that people are frightened by it.

    Natalie was so beloved, and it was said that all of Hollywood was never sadder than it was after Natalie died. So, that makes the silence even more discouraging.

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  19. My belief will always be that Wagner convinced most of them that he loved her too much to hurt her and I believe that he told those closest to her that he is keeping the truth to himself to protect her, which is BS. He is OBVIOUSLY keeping the truth to himself to protect HIMSELF. There are some friends that never said a word either way, friends that did not keep up a relationship with Wagner. I'll always wonder how they and feel as well as the others who were close to Natalie but not so close to RJ. Hope Lange, for instance. They were not on Wagner's payroll like Crowley and a few others who will remain nameless as I know this blog is being read on a daily basis by people who live to make Wagner look good and some even get paid to do it.

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  20. To Anonymous directly above:

    It makes my skin crawl to think of the many people colluding to keep this quiet. However, there certainly must be many others who didn't buy Wagner's tripe. You bring up a good example in Hope Lange--of course, she was one of the three people to eulogize Natalie at her funeral, and I remember hearing her words later--very touching.

    As for the others, they were either moved by money, fear, or apathy. Natalie deserved better.

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  21. another was author Tommy Thompson. He saw through Wagner's story. I believe that if he had lived, he would have spoken out.

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  22. Yes--it is sad that he died just a year after Natalie did.

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  23. Probably of a broken heart. It was said that Mr. Thompson worshipped her. He was with her on her trip back to Russia. I also believe he would have spoken out if given time. Being a writer, it would have given him a large audience with which to counter Wagner's lies.

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  24. Also, as I remember, he was with Natalie in Russia because he was covering it for TV guide. A trip to their archives might reveal something interesting about Natalie. I'm pretty sure Wagner and the kids weren't with her. I can only remember Thompson describing Natalie's reactions to Russia. I know she was a little startled by the reality of Russia vs. the romantic images she had held of it. Might be worth a look.

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  25. Sorry, I remembered one more thing. Tommy Thompson wrote about Natalie after her death. I remember because he talked about Natasha begging her mother not to go on the cruise. It was the first time I had ever heard that story. It also sticks in my mind, because Thompson was struck by how firm Natalie was with Natasha. The cruise was going to happen and she didn't give much weight to Natasha's words. I think it was in People Magazine. I don't remember any insinuations toward Wagner. However, who knows how it would read today knowing what we know. Maybe Thompson slipped some subtext in that no one caught at the time. I think I will try to track the article down just to satisfy my curiosity.

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  26. I have that article from People. I don't recall any insinuations in it. I can look at it again and let you know.

    Tommy Thompson died of cancer, but I am sure his heartbreak didn't help. I had the same thought as you did--his being a writer could've brought more attention to this tragedy. And he certainly was not under Wagner's pull, so he could've been free to talk about it.

    Yes, that was heartbreaking about Natasha begging her not to go. I remember reading about it in Finstad's book, and I think Lana's book mentioned it, too. Again, if circumstances had been slightly different--say, the kids had gone with them--it could've been avoided. Natasha had been having strong fears that something was going to happen to Natalie, according to Finstad, because her friend's father had had a heart attack recently. So tragic.

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  27. Thanks. I don't remember any insinuations either. I'm glad you have the article but don't bother to check if your recollection is the same as mine. I know Thompson died of cancer, I just think the emotional turmoil of Natalie's death hastened things along. It's interesting that he wrote the article. Especially in light of Wagner's decree that no one would write about Natalie. Maybe he said that after the article and not before. So sad, Thompson could have been a real advocate for Natalie.

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  28. I remember Tommy Thompson's article about Natalie in People magazine afetr her death.
    It helped to feed the myth of Natalie and Wagner.
    Tommy wrote something about how they kissed so often that he and other friends would jokingly make noises and turn away.
    But what stands out in my mind is how he caught Natalie on the Splendour deck, yelling into the wind. I believe she called
    it, 'stretching the pipes'.
    Natalie was preparing to star in the stage production of 'Anastasia', and she was apparently concerned about her speaking voice being strong enough to carry out to the audience.
    The circumstances surrounding her death make a mockery of the justice system.
    I think that with time, careful reflection and the evidence presented in GNGS, Tommy would have been the very advocate to have in this fight.
    He had a poorly concealed love for Natalie, but from what I have read, as long as Natalie was happy with Wagner, he was happy.
    By the way, strangly enough, Tommy wrote an incredible book called "Blood and Money", the true story of a woman named Joan Robinson Hill who was very cunningly murdered by her husband! I cannot recommend it highly enough.

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  29. You're right. I had forgotten how much he played up the "love story" angle in his article. Your comments brought the article more clearly back to me. Wagner had a lot of people fooled, so it's not surprising that Thompson thought it was an honest retelling of their story. Writers have a natural quest for the truth. I have faith he would have got there eventually. Wagner certainly has had a fortuitous run of luck with this story. It is amazing how many chances for exposure he has escaped.

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  30. You're right--Thompson's piece really highlighted the fairy-tale image of the Wagners. And yes--he said that they were so lovey-dovey that their friends would make gagging noises.

    Thompson would've been a great ally for this endeavor. Also, Dominick Dunne would've been a huge asset. He believed what was in "GNGS."

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  31. Thompson wrote that People article as a tribute to Natalie....he did it for Natalie. Over the years he wrote many articles about Natalie. The Cosmo article, the Look article.
    Also, I believe that RJ loved Natalie as much as a totally self absorbed man can love a woman. Let us not forget that for most of the years they were married, she was doing what pleased him. In the last year or so, she was pleasing herself. That did not sit well with RJ. I believe that they were kissy face, huggy bod. Dennis said as much. That's why he was caught off guard by what happened that weekend. How could Dennis or anyone else think that RJ would do what he did. People saw this oh so in love couple. After Natalie died, his actions belied that love but some people see what they want to see. Of course that entire weekend his actions belied that love but no one, speaking of family and friends, saw that and still choose not to see it.

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  32. Anonymous directly above:

    I agree with you. I think that Wagner, in his mind, easily rationalized his behavior toward her. Natalie was starting to get her career back, and he was afraid of what that meant for him, in different ways. It didn't have to be that way, but he was so fragile and self-centered that he could only think about himself. I am so angry and sad that Natalie had to pay for that with her life.

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  33. Wagner has already outlasted so many potential advocates. I think he just wants to make it to the finish line unscathed. He has already wrung all the glory he can out of his "image" in this life. I'm not really sure he cares what people say after his death.

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  34. If only the good die young, this son of a bitch is likely to live forever.
    ~LBTS

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  35. I think he cares what they say after he dies. That's what his book was all about.
    we'll see what the tabloids say about him after he dies, how many "boyfriends" come forward.

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  36. I didn't read his book. The consensus seems to be that it was more about discrediting Natalie. I heard that he told many raunchy, pointless stories and spoke of people who could no longer defend themselves. If that book is a testament to himself, I can live with that.

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  37. Sorry, it was the Lambert book that was intended to discredit Natalie. His book still sounds like a transparent attempt to throw roses at his own feet. The beauty of his ego, is that he ended up making himself look bad at the same time.

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  38. Anonymous directly above:

    That is pretty much what his book was--a foul-mouthed, breathtakingly crass kiss-and-tell piece which revealed his lack of class or grace.

    He "outed" a lot of people and told of his own sexual exploits with women who are no longer here to speak for themselves. He also told plenty of stories about "hanging around with the greats," who were all "fabulous" to him. Obviously, that PROVES what a great chap he is, right?

    His treatment of Natalie's death rings hollow and dry--someone on here said that it looked like one of his lawyers concocted that part. There is nothing new or insightful into what happened that weekend.

    It is so easy to see through his tripe--that is, if you're not dazzled by Jonathan Hart and his flowing scarves.

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  39. I'm glad I didn't read it. How fitting that this will be how he is remembered. Deliciously ironic, don't you think?

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  40. Yes, he made himself look bad, but of course, he could never see that. Plus, it was filled with things that are easy to refute (and HAVE been refuted, in many cases).

    A better title for it would've been "Pieces of Tripe."

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  41. Clever girl, I like it!

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  42. There is no doubt that he discussed his words about Natalie's death with his lawyer. His words about the death of his dog were deeper than his words about Natalie's death. He was looking for sympathy. He talked about the death of David Niven, he grieved for Niven. His words about Natalie's death showed grief for himself. It was all about him.
    I bought the CD, also. I wanted to hear his voice when he spoke about Natalie's death. His voice ,when he spoke about Natalie's death, was no different than any other part of the book. He read the words off the page and spoke the words just as he did in every other chapter. The most emotion in his voice was when he spoke of the death of his dog, Larry.

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  43. Given his track record, maybe we should be suspicious about Larry's death too. I really wonder if this man is capable of feeling anything.

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  44. Think about this, if Wagner lied to protect Natalie then who was Sinatra protecting when he was having Noguchi silenced? Natalie or Wagner?

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  45. Dennis says Tommy Thompson adored Natalie and never came around after she died. Dennis was by Wagner's side for a year, living at the house, and of course Tommy was probably sick during that time, but Dennis sensed that Tommy had little to say to Wagner after Natalie was gone. I would love to have spoken with Tommy and regret that was never possible.

    I had always admired Dominick Dunne and always thought about contacting him to ask if he might care to get involved, but always refrained because I thought it might be an imposition. After GNGS was published, I was informed from the executive editor that they had given a copy of GNGS to Dominick. He was very ill at the time, but he read the book and said he was relieved the truth would finally be known. That, to me, along with Ann Rule's recommendation at her website, was the ultimate stamp of encouragement. I so admire both of them, and so admired their courage as defenders of truth and justice for so many victims. I also appreciated Ann Rule's advice to me. She explained that it's very difficult to get a book such as GNGS published because there was no arrest or, for that matter in Natalie's case, not even an official suspicion. Ann Rule sticks to stories that are tried and settled through the courts, and she believes that the reason the media stay careful with GNGS is fear of lawsuits. She encouraged trying to get the case reopened. Ann also told me she always wondered about Natalie's death and was releived someone took it on. Ann might be more vocal if the case gets reopened.

    I was honored to have Dominick and Ann read GNGS, even though they couldn't do more to help promote it. I totally appreciate the reason why certain people can't venture out on the limb with us, yet I'm grateful for every effort they contribute. I'm grateful for the small contribution Alexandra Sheldon offered in her review and comments of Pieces of My Heart. I appreciate what all of you have to say, too. Mrs. Sheldon was challenged in comments, even accused of possibly misunderstanding Wagner. Even Mrs. Sheldon made it clear what a liar can and CANNOT accomplish.

    Tonight, I saw at Amazon that GNGS Hardcover (available again for a short while) was back on the True Crime top 100 bestseller list -- as #84 and it was once #2 in True Crime, which is a genre offering a huge selection of titles. This status is without present publicity! The more who read about this story, the better for Natalie and the chances of getting the case reopened. Thank you all for staying close to this story. It really is due for its breakthrough.

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  46. Marti,
    I've followed Natalie's story for the three decades of lies, and especially so since your book finally offering the facts. I've followed the Amazon review comments and the now semi-extinct forum. I know that it's difficult to say anything about the ignorant comments anywhere for fear of drawing the ignorant "other fans" to this blog, but I must say it is appalling how a few ignorant people tried to sway Mrs. Sheldon. It is beyond appalling, it is downright disgusting. I don't know how some people live with themselves. You've gone above and beyond to establish your motives, to right a wrong, and to show genuine compassion for a woman who was literally left to die, not to mention probably helped into the situation that killed her. How anyone could defend the person who left her to die will astound me until the end of time. Your book is on its way to greatness, I have no doubt. Patience is a virtue.

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  47. Marti - if your blog is watched by ITS people, I hope they realize they are not only up against YOU but up against a solid force of believes not willing to take no for an answer when it comes to receiving justice for Natalie. I realize you've got to keep certain things close to the vest, but you've come so very far and we'll remain behind you all the way. I know I speak for every decent person here.

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  48. I was wondering who "ITS" was. I thought you were referring to an organization of some kind. LOL, now I see what you are saying.

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  49. I agree. We are all of one mind on this blog, even if we don't always agree about particulars in this case. I, too, have followed this story for almost 30 years. It's hard to be patient because this is as close as anyone has ever come to breaking this story. It's hard not to be chomping on the bit. I'm also glad that Marti confirmed our feelings about Tommy Thompson. It makes me happy to think that Tommy didn't have anything to say to Wagner after Natalie's death. I have been very critical of her friends,(not him)but now I'm wondering how many people faded away from Wagner with their suspicions. Maybe they felt it was their only option in light of no proof. We can see how hard it has been for Marti to round up the facts. I'm going to guess that Natalie retained many of her true friends and they just felt powerless to do anything except leave the "grieving widower". Maybe Marti has more silent supporters than she knows.

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  50. To Anonymous at 1:36 P.M.--

    I think you're probably right--that there were many people who didn't buy Wagner's original story (although it was devoid of details, so maybe it shouldn't be called a "story"). He left things so vague and unclear, and that is how he wanted it.

    I, too, have been dismayed at the lack of an outcry up until now, but I suppose it's understandable. In light of no proof, as you say, they might've decided it was just better (safer?) to withdraw. What else could people have done? I suspect that after Wagner passes away, there might be more commentary.

    I also wish that Marti could've had a chance to talk to Tommy Thompson. I think the quest for justice for Natalie would've taken off more easily.

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  51. My last comment also brings me to a thought. Who planned Natalie's funeral? Wagner didn't even want to go. He was too busy trying to muster sympathy and portray grief to have been very involved in funeral arrangements. What poor friend had to step forward and make all of those crucial decisions? Speakers? Pallbearers? Maybe that's where one of Natalie's friends really stepped forward for her.

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  52. To Anonymous at 9:07--

    Yes, good ol' Larry, the dog. Wagner grieved in his book more for that dog than he did for Natalie. Of course, that was only one disturbing thing in that piece of rubbish. It's not surprising to hear that his audio version is more of the same.

    As I've noted on this site before, it was Wagner's book that really made me unsettled about what might have happened. I NEVER thought that he did what I now think he did. I always believed that there was more to Natalie's death, but I couldn't know what it was.

    Reading Wagner's book troubled me a lot--its general tone, his subject matter, and his crassness and snobbery were a real put-off. They permeated that book. And how he talked about Natalie and that weekend really disturbed me--it just sounded phony.

    Still, I didn't fully suspect him until I read "GNGS," which pulled it all together, and it's the only thing that has EVER made any sense of this. It was painful to comprehend, but at least we know. And Wagner knows that people know.

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  53. Yes, Natalie's funeral occurred fairly quickly, three days after she was found. I assume that Paul Ziffren, their lawyer (and friend), helped coordinate some things. He was by Wagner's side very quickly (and was called immediately, even before familly members were). And of course, he was the one Wagner claims had him promise to never talk about that weekend. How convenient!

    As far as arranging the people to deliver eulogies, maybe Dennis could shed light on that.

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  54. Yes, I guess Dennis would be the one to ask since he was right at ground zero. This case is so frustrating. Sometimes it brings out my sarcasm, like my comment about Larry's death. I don't know how Marti stands the tension, setbacks and disbelief she gets from some people. As for Paul Ziffren, he's made it very clear who's friend he is.

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  55. Marti has the patience of Job, as well as tons of integrity. She is able to take the high road, which is admirable.

    I know what you mean about being sarcastic. I am that way, too, because I get so darned mad at all of this. It is horrible enough that Natalie was allowed to die. But for someone to get away with his words and behavior all this time, and having others help him, makes it even more grievous.

    But I believe that, in the end, Wagner will face the music. Maybe it won't be on this earth, but he will.

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  56. The funeral was invitation only. I'm sure Wagner had a lot of say in who was invited and who was not. The people chosen to give eulogies were close friends. The media named the honorable pallbearers for instance, Olivier who was not present. Wagner had some say in that also.
    Natalie may have left instructions as to who she wanted to be give her eulogies. The funeral seemed very starry, with that, I think Wagner may have played a part in the planning. There were people whom Natalie was closer to than Rock Hudson, who were not invited. Yeah, I think Wagner played a big role in her funeral.

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  57. Yeah, what was Rock Hudson doing there? Weren't there only about 100 people or so? That is the tiniest cemetery I've ever been at, but still...she was so beloved.

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  58. If Wagner played a role, what was Walken doing there? Do you think he would have come uninvited? Was he just there for show? Surely, Walken would have wanted to be anywhere but there. Was Wagner even coherent enough to participate? Portraying grief would have been a full time job. Remember, he's not that good of an actor.

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  59. The poster who said we are all of one mind on this site even if we don't always agree about the particulars of this case is exactly right.
    Thank you, I could not have said it better!
    I think that in general, Natalie's 'friends' bet on the sure thing. Meaning, Natalie is gone and Wagner is still alive.
    Some of the 'star dust' that falls upon Wagner might land on them as well. They might have their picture taken with him and be seen in a magazine.
    Maybe they'll get a guest spot on the new Hawaii 5-0 to revive their already stale careers?
    That's what's important, right?
    Not that frightened, cold, wet, alone woman who called you 'FRIEND' dying alone in the middle of the night in deep, dark water that she feared her entire life, right?
    Who would dare go up against the 'widower' (the sardonic laughter you hear after those last words would be mine!) without actual footage of what happened to poor Natalie?
    Hollywood is a 'small town' with equally small minds.
    I for one really will not care what these so-called 'friends' say after that jerk is gone.
    My questions to them, right now is, 'Why don't you HELP Marti and Dennis find out the WHOLE TRUTH about Natalie's death? If you really loved Natalie and cared about her, where are you NOW?'
    Dennis, Wagner's favorite target/scapegoat, is standing by his words.
    Can Natalie's 'friends' think this is easy for him?
    Dennis wants justice for Natalie, where do you stand, 'friends?'
    Sorry for going on fellow posters, I have just never had very much time, patience or the stomach for cowards.
    This is a life and death situation.....Natalie's life and death.

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  60. I hear your rage and share your frustration. (I am the "one mind" poster) I, too, put a huge priority on loyalty. I will tolerate nothing less in my personal life. I have gone after Natalie's friends many times at this blog. I understand the feeling of how could people stay silent? It feels like such a betrayal of her trust and friendship. However, when Marti talked about Tommy removing himself from the situation, it got me thinking that it might have been the only form of protest they could make at that time. You have Wagner turning on the waterworks and collapsing at appropriate moments. It might be kind of tough to speak out under those circumstances. Clearly, the momentum was going his way. Yes, Hollywood is full of fair weather friends and opportunists (paging Wagner) but her true friends must have been in shock and maybe unable to respond to any inner stirrings of suspicion. I speak with passion first and then I sit back and analyze things later. My initial judgements are always harsh because I feel so deeply about the case as you clearly do. It's not impossible to change my mind though and after I've calmed down I can see the other person's view. I agree that it would be nice if they offered any insight to Marti that they could. Maybe they are reluctant because of needing proof again. What do you think? Is any of this possible or are we separated by this particular?

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  61. P.S. Wagner's people look at this blog, maybe some of Natalie's friends do too. If so, we invite you to add any information that could help Marti even more in this case. You would be completely anonymous, so there should be no fear of reprisals. It's never too late to do the right thing.

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  62. Wagner expressed his displeasure that Walken was at the funeral but said that he it was right that he was there. He was probably advised to invite him, by his lawyers and his PR people.

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  63. 'One Mind' -
    You've hit the nail on the head again!
    The incredible disloyalty, which you so aptly mentioned, is just another injustice.
    I think you are so right that a 'silent protest' was all that her friends could manage at the time.
    But now, they can so easily read Marti's book and see facts, not guesses. If nothing else, it should lay the foundation for new questions for even the most firm of Wagner supporters.
    Wagner has told several different versions of what happened that night (he changes it as needed) and none of it makes any sense.
    The manner of Natalie's death was so vile it just enrages me, her greatest fear realized.
    Wagner has turned the the illusion of 'Jonathan Hart/Robert Wagner' into one and the same.
    Those who choose to believe this farce will allow nothing else, not even the truth.
    'There are none so blind as those who will not see'.

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  64. Of course I agree with you. There is no justifiable reason to be silent now. Just to expand on our conversation about "silent protests", I had an additional thought on the subject. Are you familiar with the Amish tradition of "shunning'? Maybe this was the Hollywood version. Appearances in Hollywood mean everything. What does it say to Hollywood when constant companions of the couple up and leave after the funeral? This man is supposedly a heap of sorrow and grieving the likes of which haven't been seen in a long while. High profile people are leaving his side never to be heard from again. Maybe I'm giving them to much credit but it has an Amish feel to me. To those who stayed by Wagner's side, I have the highest disrespect. To those who fled, I'm willing to give a certain amount of leeway. Who knows how it all went down?

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  65. Larry King came thisclose to having Dennis, me, Lana, and Roger Smith on his show. Roger was away camping for the month of November so the show was postponed to January 2010, and then the Haiti earthquake happened and King's show was completely tied up airing shows about the disaster. I think King was relieved. It wasn't a show he wanted to do, I could tell, probably because Wagner considers Larry a friend, but Larry knew he was looking like the rest of the high-profile media, avoiding what should NOT, literally CAN'T, be avoided. King was also Michael Viner's best friend. Viner was the president of Phoenix Publishing and took GNGS on. Michael Viner passed away just a few weeks before GNGS's release. Larry was torn: should his loyalties lean toward Viner, his former best man and best friend, or could he now stay uninvolved? Amazing how a natural disaster even plays into Wagner's luck in evading having to answer to anything EVER in regards to Natalie's death. I thought for sure when he promoted his book that there would be at least ONE reporter or journalist digging deeper into Natalie's death. ANYONE could've figured out what I figured out. No one has ever wanted to. It's easier to let it be. It's so terribly frustrating and sad, and if I didn't have the promise of more justice to come, I think I would burst.

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  66. Hi, Marti:

    A natural disaster helped Wagner evade deeper examination of what happened to Natalie? Maybe he can chalk that up to his "charmed life."

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  67. Maybe you'll have more luck with Piers Morgan. In Britain he is actually well regarded as an interviewer. Plus, the Brits love to take pompous people down a peg. Justice for Natalie is inescapable. Eventually the stars and planets will align and Wagner's destiny will arrive.

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  68. And Larry King can sleep nights because it's not like Larry decided to skip our interview due to something shallow, right? And, if a natural disaster worked out in his buddy's favor, so be it, right? And, really, after March 2010, it was WAY too late to still schedule something about Natalie Wood, right?
    (Sorry, sometimes I feel sarcastic, too.)

    The media, the big reporters, the law enforcement, so many of those who should be involved don't hold a candle to their titles and what their characters should represent.

    Natalie has us.

    And ...

    Someone very important I'll talk about later, but he actually told me that we should consider ourselves lucky that nothing transpired with Larry, especially after Larry's on air faux-pas when interviewing Jerry Seinfeld. Larry asked Jerry how it felt to have his sit-com canceled. Many say that was proof positive that it's long past due for Larry to step down.
    Seinfeld asks King: "Is this still CNN? Do you even know who I am? Can we get a resume in here for me, for Larry to look over?"
    (LOL, no, losing Larry wasn't all that bad for us.)
    I'm sure Larry would've asked us the #1 question EVERY reporter asks -- one that gets by many readers as well: "Why did you wait so long?" (as if the entire book ISN'T about why we "waited so long.")

    Most reporters don't read books thoroughly. They skim, then ask questions they want answered in 30 seconds that takes PATIENCE to explain and understand.

    Marianne, you said I have the patience of Job. Thank you. But, it's only because I know we have good people in this with us. They've taught me that patience is essential. I get edgy sometimes but only because it never would've taken 30 years had the people who SHOULD care have cared! Wagner NEVER raises his hand to be called upon, and they all continue to hand out hall passes for him! I'm rather sickened by it, especially now.

    If any of you read author Harlan Coben's fiction books, you'll appreciate his characters that are as real as your neighbors. His plots often deal with murdered victims. In one of his first bestsellers, the main character is a widower trying to get past the lack of justice for his murdered wife, but he can't. He has no patience because, basically, the only thing his mind revolves around is that his wife is "dead and buried and rotting in the earth while her killer runs free."
    That is a graphic sentence, but I'll never forget it.
    As this particular fiction progresses, seven years after his wife's death, the widower gets an email from HER... it's an interesting plot and one of the best fiction books I've ever read. (Title: "Tell No One"). Hollywood was going to make a movie of it and backed out. The movie was made overseas and became a huge hit.

    Anyhow, truth is stranger than fiction, and GNGS is proof of that. There are some things you just can't "make up" ... sometimes I think the reporters keep their distance not because they don't believe GNGS, but because they DO believe every word of it.

    Talk about a rock and a hard place...

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  69. Did I bring on the sarcasm? I was being serious about Piers Morgan and Wagner's eventual come-uppance. King was a hack. His time as an effective interviewer had long past. Even before Seinfeld. I guarantee the media is laying off GNGS because they know it speaks the truth. That's the frustrating part. If they won't shine a light on the truth then they are not doing their jobs. That is why they went into journalism, right? The truth?

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  70. Anonymous above, no, I was being sarcastic about Larry on my own. I know that Larry wanted to do right by his deceased best friend, Michael (the only person who wasn't afraid of GNGS), but in the end, Larry chose to represent the living and let the dead fend for themselves (sounds like more sarcasm, but it's not.. it's the truth).

    There are news stories abound in our fascinating America, there are causes many consider far more important than justice for a woman who (shaking head) DRANK wine the night she died --Damn, this must be the full moon drawing out the sarcasm.

    So, we stuggle. Piers Morgan, I would bet, wouldn't get involved because he's extremely popular now and most likely wouldn't upset his community (the entertainment world). Natalie's death is an upsetting subject.

    What I was trying to explain in my last comment is that there is someone involved who recognizes all of these pitfalls, someone who knows how to carefully get around them, but it takes time. Yes, almost 29 years have gone by without proper interest, but that doesn't mean it won't happen. For the handful of people who like to leave their little comments around the Internet that GNGS ran its course, is a flop, didn't make a dent, and so forth, well that remains their wishful thinking. They have no clue. And that, I promise, is not sarcasm.

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  71. Anyone who thinks "GNGS" or people who care about justice for Natalie are going away are very mistaken. And people like you, Marti, don't put decades of work and dedication into something like this just to give up.

    This is far too important, and too many people failed to do their jobs, although it shouldn't have been hard. They just bungled it. Others covered up and continue to do so, rather than admitting that this case was handled badly. I am still shaking my head at Duane Rasure's comment that he "did what any decent person would do" (i.e., letting Wagner go without any probing). Rasure was not paid to do "what a decent person would do." He was paid to investigate and help hold people accountable for what they did. His work was a joke.

    Excellent question to ask, "What took Wagner so long to call?" THAT is what reasonable people would question. However, people try to distract by asking, "Why did this book take so long to come out?" Why, I didn't realize that the longer it takes to present a book about something, the less likely its subject matter is to be true! Where did I miss that? I guess time elapsed between event and book and the truth of that book are inversely proportional! I will have to remember that one.

    What has our society come to when the media spends so much time on how Lindsay Lohan violated her drug probation or Paris Hilton got caught with "a friend's purse?" Society is fed (and eagerly consumes) rubbish like this. Too many people don't want to be bothered with deeper things or have to think about or do what is right--it's too difficult or inconvenient or it might hurt someone's feelings.

    Of course, Wagner's defenders hope this will go away, but they will end up very unhappy. Natalie DOES have us, and we're not going away.

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  72. I only asked about the sarcasm because it was such an unusual segue from my comment above. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE sarcasm, especially when it's about the bufoons in this case. I was only checking to make sure I had not offended you in some way. My writing is usually pretty straightforward. I just have so much respect for what you have done and are continuing to do. I think you show AMAZING restraint. If I were you, sarcasm would be all I had left to give. You're probably right about Piers Morgan. Starting a new job he wouldn't want to offend right off the bat. Although, somewhere in there is the British part of him that wants to "tear the mickey" out of a phony. Wagner certainly fits the bill.

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  73. Marianne, I can't believe what you just wrote in your LAST comment as it means SO MUCH to what is happening now in regards to this case. It's the big Catch 22 that we will surmount.
    And, Anonymous (the one who loves sarcasm), no, you did not offend me one bit. You gave me RELIEF! Hope you didn't misunderstand me, either, because I get sarcastic, too, sometimes. I would LOVE to interview with Piers or ANYONE who cares enough to help justice along. I see through the rubbish as we all do, so clearly that I just can't comprehend how EVERYONE doesn't see right through it. I mean, it's all rather simple for as convoluted as it has become.

    The restraint is sometimes tiring and frustrating and I constantly think about how much easier progress would be if people would simply do THEIR jobs, because THIS IMPORTANT STORY DOES MATTER! This IS something people should care about. I'm not disappointed in GNGS one bit, but I know there is still a long haul ahead, but because I believe it's worth it, here I am, still not screaming, but diligently striving for what still needs to come of this reality. As Marianne stated, where within the decades did truth lose its value? It hasn't. It never will, but we need HELP. I'm confident it will come.

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  74. Marti, it seems that some other people (e.g., media) can see the garbage that's been offered, but they choose not to question it. There are probably a handful of reasons for this, but they don't make it right to ignore this travesty.

    Wagner can have that mega-watt smile pasted on his bloated mug, but he has to know that his day of reckoning is approaching. And his defenders can fall all over themselves trying to distract by blaming Dennis (or even Natalie), ignoring all that makes sense, and even making things up. That is all that they can cling to. There is no defense--the truth has been exposed. Wagner is a fraud.

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  75. A double fraud. Not only to the truth but to his own personality. Wagner tried to adopt the Cary Grant persona that he so wanted to be. It's the Cary Grant act his Hart to Hart fans are responding to not him. Too bad he didn't copy Cary more closely. He never killed anyone.

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  76. This entire story is always in a state of flux, but Marti hit the nail on the head when she said it's really rather simple for as convoluted as it gets. Basic investigating skills, having detained the men, asking questions to establish a timeline, checking the men's bodies for any brusing, etc, could have provided reason to continue a deeper investigation. Were we really that archaic in 1981? If this caliber and type of a death occurred today, every news station and their brother would be all over it.
    Another point I'd like to make is that I think it's sickening for anyone to find fault with Dennis and Marti as the two people who won't let this go and continue to hurt Natalie's daughters. That is rubbish. The sin bestowed upon those girls is that they are left in a fog of mystery about their mother that will follow them through life, for no other reason than the fault and actions of their father, not only in 1981 but to this day. They know exactly what their father is. In this day and age, how could they not? What a difference a generation makes.

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  77. Why isn't Nancy Grace all over this? I know she put Natalie in her cold case file, but so what? You can't just mention it and then let it dwell in the file untouched. Nancy Grace is one of the most opinionated people in the world. She goes bonkers about injustice in lesser cases. Why has she not made Natalie her focus? Marti stands ready with any resources and information she needs. Why has she not applied her missionary zeal to Natalie? They seem to believe all the atrocities in the case. When does Natalie catch a break?

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  78. People who find fault with Dennis and/or Marti are just grasping at straws. If "GNGS" didn't make such sense, why would Wagner's defenders be so irate and putting so much time into bashing the book and its authors (and the people who believe them)?

    If it were not threatening, there would be nothing to worry about, right? There's no need to attack something if it has no credibility. It's only being attacked because they are scared of the truth, and there is no defense for what Mr. Reverse Mortgage King did.

    And as I said, Wagner can keep that smile on his arrogant, bloated mug, but that is just another phony piece to him. Certainly he can't be resting comfortably right now. And I think the discomfort level is soon going to be ratcheted upward.

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  79. Just a quick side thought, because it is something we have discussed on this blog and I am curious. Did anyone see the new show called The Defenders last night? I was immediately struck by what the Prosecutor on the show said about the defendant.(I'll paraphrase) He said that premeditation doesn't have to be months, weeks or even hours of deliberation, just a few coldly considered choices. I have always thought that when Wagner INSISTED on moving the boat(for no apparent reason)that he had made some sort of decision in his head. Does anyone know what the legal standard of premeditation is, or was the show just taking artistic license with that fact? It sounded reasonable to me. Couple it with the call about rescue procedures and you could start to make a case that one didn't just lose control due to over consumption of alcohol and "temporary insanity".

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  80. I've commented here only once or twice before, but I couldn't agree with you more Marianne9.

    As I followed this travesty, I recall reading a while back someone made a ghastly comment insinuating that only uneducated people believe Marti and Dennis. I laughed real hard over that one. I'm a retired defense attorney and I believe them. You clearly don't sound like an uneducated person to me Marianne9 and neither do most of you commenting. I would've welcomed your kind of practical sense on my team years ago. I might even leap to guess that you are a teacher, possibly a professor. You needn't answer, as I would understand not wanting to reveal personal information at a blog site, but am I close? :-)

    Note: As an old former dabbler in the law, let me add that defending Wagner would not be as easy as his fans think. Marti Rulli, you did a super start-up job. I've got my eyes peeled for the finish. Good luck.

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  82. I'M SORRY. My computer is not showing me the accurate comment count and it keeps showing me that my comments aren't registering. So now I fear I have posted the same comment twice even though it isn't showing. (I'm the premeditation poster that had a comment for two other posters) I'm sure this comment won't show either, as well as all of yours that I love to read. Forgive the double posting. It is a computer malfunction and not a lack of education Mr. District Attorney. Alas, this apology may not get through either.

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  83. Marti, for the third time, it has said my comment has been published. It shows up on your site and then it disappears. This time I got a warning on my screen that your website is not safe. It mentioned Phishing etc. What's going on?!!!

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  84. Fourth time, posted, then disappeared.

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  85. I was away all day and night. Just read all of the comments. I have no idea why it would say this blog is not safe. If someone is tampering with it or trying to invade my computer, it will be detected as I have a firewall, spyware and high security. I will check my programs now. But I think I see all of the posts you claim didn't appear. Sometimes BLOGGER (the provider of this blog) has technical problems. PLEASE let me know of any other problems, even by email if necessary. martirulli@gmail.com

    Marianne9, I agree with the ex-defender that you make perfect sense on your assessments about this case. I remember the comment from someone months ago that "mostly it's uneducated people that believe Dennis" ... I also know how untrue that UN-educated statement is.
    To the former defense attorney, thanks, as I don't think it would be as easy a defense either for Wagner. In writing a book of this nature there were things that had to be handled oh so delicately. A much stronger approach would be taken when actually dealing with the law.

    To the poster who said that Dennis has said in interviews that Natalie's death was an accident, well that's simply not true, and as I said before, I will erase non-factual posts from this blog. In a few interviews Dennis didn't tell his entire story but has never claimed the death to be accidental. Also, as Lana was not an eyewitness as Dennis was, the law wouldn't use her statements as evidence. Don't forget fear factor, too.

    As for premeditation, it's often hard to prove, BUT there is not an established limit for how much time is allowed to indicate premeditation.
    (Maybe the defense attorney can help out here?) If someone CHOOSES to harm another and plans HOW to do it, I would think that's pre-med.

    Standard definitions of premeditation are "the act of speculating, arranging, or plotting in advance...the contemplation of a crime with deliberate purpose, previous consideration, and some degree of planning."
    I have no idea what would be considered "some" in the degree of planning. Four minutes? Four hours? Four days? I DO know that within the first four minutes of knowing Natalie was missing, Dennis wanted to do all the proper things to try to save her but was FORBIDDEN to do so for over four hours.

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  86. Finally, my post showed right after yours. Marti, if you accept that it really is a former defense attorney, then I will have to follow suit. I must be honest, though, it doesn't ring true to me.

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  87. Again, my post commenting on the defense attorney and the post right after that are gone. The minute I posted saying it was right after yours, it disappeared. It's funny to me that all my comments about the post show up, but not the post itself. Very strange.

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  88. I give up. I'm not going to bother you with this again. The post that keeps disappearing is a pretty long one. It addresses the "defense attorney" and the post right below his. I think my observations would have been interesting to say the least. For some reason that particular post will not stay on the board.

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  89. I'm really sorry you're having trouble posting it. I can't understand the problem. If you want to email me the post, I'll post it for you...maybe there's a glitch with that particular post for some reason as it's odd your other posts would show up and not that one.

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  90. As the deleted poster who stated that Dennis said in an interview that Natalie died accidently, well..Im sorry but he did. I heard it. He may have misunderstood the question posed to him but his response was that it was an accident. This isn't non-factual, it's decidedly inconvenient but it happened. Perhaps rather than deleting the post you could address the inconsistancies of the principal parties that you are relying on to get the word out.

    No, Lana is NOT a witnesss but of all the parties involved she is the only recognizable celebebrity who has made numerous public statements through the years and the ONE who has never drifted off her stand ...she has said numerous times that she does not blame anyone. Once she says that, the newsworthiness of this story fades rather quickly. Want to generate some buzz? Want to get the media really interested? Then call a spade a spade. Call Wagner the murderer we all know him to be. That's really what this is all about isn't it? There can be no justice for Natalie without a villian brought to justice.

    Ms Rulli, you have trudged 99 miles of a 100 mile trek...walk that last mile and make the commitment. Say the words, call the man what he is. Because if you can't no one else will.
    I support GNGS. I want to see justice for Natalie Wood.

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  91. What interview was this, who was the host? I listened to all of the radio shows and watched the TV interviews, I don't recall Dennis ever saying any such thing.

    Lana said she does not blame anyone but she also said that Robert Wagner is hiding something, and that she believes Dennis. Lana has expressed doubt in the past. Lana Wood is probably afraid of Wagner. The truth is that she believes Robert Wagner killed her sister. I know a few people who have spoken to her and she told them that she feels and has always felt that Wagner is responsible for her sister's death. She hired private investigators. If she did not blame anyone, she would not have done such a thing. Let's be real!
    How naive can one be to believe that Lana does not blame anyone. She said that she wants the case re-opened. If she didn't blame anyone, she would not express the desire to have the case re-opened.

    Calling Wagner a murderer does not signify commitment. Her actions have done that. Actions speak volumes louder than words. Wagner's actions as opposed his empty words are testimony to that.

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  92. Okay, if you want to deal with this, provide the interview Dennis said those words: you will not be able to because he never said Natalie's death was accidental. I am totally committed to bring justice for Natalie and when it arrives, the proper people will say the proper things. I've presented the evidence, not the verdict. It takes time. I wish things could move along faster but we don't always get what we wish for.

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  93. "Calling Wagner a murderer does not signify commitment."

    Wrong. That's EXACTLY what a commitment is. It's having the courage of your convictions. It's telling the world that someone killed Natalie Wood and Wagner is the one who did it. THAT IS COMMITMENT. Waiting for others to pick up the ball and run with it is naive and un-realistic. Who is supposed to write the last chapter?? Who is supposed to make the stand? Does Wagner win just because he has a lawyer who might sue someone for saying what they beleive?

    I'll say it. Wagner killed Natalie Wood. So what? Who cares what I say or think? I didn't write a book, I'm not a news gathering organization. I'm just a person who is watching someone get away with murder and it angers me.

    Your responses to my question are answered with more questions. You ask why did Lana hire a private investigator...I don't know why. Do you? Has it ever been made public why she did this? What is she scared of? What is anyone afraid of? A lawsuit? Physical harm? Has Wagner made any overt threatening gestures in the last few decades that could be construed as genuine?

    Who is afraid of a lawsuit? Seems to me he has been goaded as far as one can go into filing a suit and he hasn't done it yet ( as far as I know) and yet, NO ONE is willing to challenge him publicly. Until someone makes a bold statemenmt attesting to his guilt it's all just fodder for the bloggers and celebrity hounds who love a juicy story.
    I may be wrong, this is all merely an opinion. Im not here to more than offer the critism that was invited by the author. As soon as it becomes a whipping post for dissenting viwepoints I'll get bored and give up.

    Finally, to answer the question you posed about when Dennis said it was an accidental death. I can't quote you the date and time but it was in one of the very first radio interviews, both he and Marti were on at the same time. If you need more specifics than that you're just going to have to do your own research. Perhaps all those interviews were recorded, I have no way on knowing that.

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  94. Ok, I get it now Ms Rulli, you have a plan and I'm just not privy to it. Fair enough. I wish you the best and will continue to support you whenever I can. No foul intended.

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  95. Ms. Rulli's plan is to use the press to get the word out that the case needs to be reopened, that is great, even if that happends the press cannot reopen the case and th DA's office is surely not going to reopen the case on their own. Action must be taken, Ms. Rulli, Mr. Davern and their Attorney need to physically go to the DA's office provide their physical evidence along with statements and file a motion to have the case reopened or whatever the procedure is, actually I am surprised this has not been done.

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  96. Commitment is never giving up no matter what is standing in your way and Marti has not done that nor do I see a hint of her doing that. I admire her for going on with this. Anyone can say that Wagner killed Natalie. Anyone can say anything. It's the doing that signifies commitment. Actions speak louder than words. Words are cheap. Again, Wagner is a prime example of that.

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  97. How stupid do you think we are? Your defense of Wagner screams through no matter what carefully chosen words you use. "He has been goaded", that reeks of suppressed hostility. Although you are all careful to mention that you are GNGS "supporters". The defense attorney? Why didn't he answer the legal question right above him? Isn't that his field? Notice he made sure to repeat the uneducated comment. Why don't you guys make the COMMITMENT to saying who you really are?

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  98. I'm not sure about the "defense attorney" but the "supporter" is a fake.

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  99. My apologies to a past poster who warned that Wagner fans would show up waving their flags. I advised you to relax because they knew they wouldn't be effective here. This morning has been the veritable Wagner parade you warned about.

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  100. That's me, person who said that the "supporter" is a fake. I could smell it in the air in a few posts. Now, the blog reeks of it. There is that tell tale odor. I think most of us are astute enough to be able to tell the trolls from the true supporters. Apology accepted.

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  101. Just another unsolicited tip for the Wagner fans. It's not how you articulate yourselves, it's the subtext that comes through loud and clear. Insults couched in "supportive" statements. You can't fake sincerity and that's another thing that trips you up. I don't care if your opinion disagrees with mine. I resent the assault on my intelligence.

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  102. P.S. You can add trying to get Marti to publicly declare Wagner a murderer. REALLY?

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  103. Until someone declares it, there's nothing to talk about anymore. The proof of which is in the luke warm pudding that's been sitting on the table for over a year.

    Hate me all you want or need to. But to stand and declare you know what my motives are is to ignore the real problems this story has had reaching a wider audience. No one has asked the LACSD to re-open this case. To think that someone in that department will just pick the book up and suddenly declare a travesty has occurred is silly. I'm advocating a pro-active stance here. Beat the grass to scare the snakes...but instead there's a contingent of you who want simply to beat the messenger when you dont like the message. I'll say this once so you can all shake your heads in disbelief but I do whole heartedly support this book, I believe in it and I respect the long years of work that Marti put into it. I just want to see something come of it and if that means once in a while stepping in and shaking things up to promote some critical thought then yeah, I can do that. One day it just might lead to someone else getting an idea that leads to a break that Natalie sorely deserves.

    Never give up. That's my motto.

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  104. and Marti has not given up. She's proven that.

    How do you know that no one has asked the LACSD to re-open the case? You have no idea who asked who what. Why don't you contact the LACSD and speak to them as a concerned citizen. Tell them that they should read Marti's book and act on it. Tell them that you feel that Robert Wagner murdered his late wife based on what you read in GNGS. Speak up! You sit there and type powerful words but they mean zilch if you do not act on them. Go for it!

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  105. Great challenge! However, that's not the poster's motive. They want Marti to make inflammatory statements that will undercut her credibility further down the road. We love critical thinking here, but that's not what you present. Your veiled insults do not go unnoticed. Hate you? Only Wagner fans draw a line in the sand. You are out of your league.

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  106. Oh, I know what the poster's motive is. This person could not be more transparent.

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  107. The former defense attorney is interested in Natalie's case and he answered a few good questions in emails. I believe he was honestly complimenting the discussion here when he posted. He apologized if he worded anything in a confusing manner. He's not an "Internet person" but gave an honest assessment of GNGS to me and some of his suggestions were very helpful. I don't know if he will answer anything here.

    To the anonymous supporter, I can say only that there are things I hate not being able to say here or even in the book for that matter, but my committment includes all the things you suggest.
    The Natalie Wood case is not going away. It's been away for far too long. Now it is public and interest in it is growing, not subsiding. When we're given the nod to talk more, we will. Sorry if that sounds evasive because it's not intended to be. I'm not going to EVER go off willy-nilly or have my comments used out of context again. So, I try to remain calm and patient.

    Also, I know what radio show you are referring to, and Dennis did not say Natalie's death was an accident during the show. He started a sentence, was interrupted by the host, and didn't get back to finishing his point. I clarified it so that no one would misunderstand. Dennis has NEVER believed or declared Natalie's death an accident.

    When we were interviewed by EXTRA last September (a show that may still air) Dennis said in it that it doesn't want the case reopened, and everyone jumped all over him, including me, but we had jumped the gun. It's another example where Dennis had been in mid-sentence when we all chimed in, not giving him a chance to finish the point that he doesn't want it reopened because it will be painful to innocent people, but that it HAS to be reopened for Natalie to receive true justice.

    My point is, any host can edit that to make it look like Dennis meant something other than what he truly means. Mistakes or scenes and words used out of context do NOT change the facts.

    But, again, this blog is to discuss progress when it happens and factual issues related to Natalie's case along the way...it's NOT intended to defend accusations or "what Dennis really meant" as it's downright clear in GNGS what Dennis means.

    We have no doubts that this mission will be a long, hard road, but we're on it, and we'll stay on it.

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  108. Marti, there is another wacko on Natalie's IMDB board who is accusing you of doing a copy and paste job in GNGS, in several chapters. You might want to check this out. He seems to believe in Peter Rydyn's version on Natalie's death. He is going out of his way to discredit you. Sounds like a nut. If I were you, I would respond.

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  109. I don't think responding to nuts is a very good idea. Why further their platform? If Marti responds to every attack on her, she'll never have time for the real work of GNGS. The true believers are on this blog. It would be impossible to convert the others, no matter what she said. There's no upside to it. Maybe the post can be deleted if requested.

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  110. You are right. Why respond to it? That gives them a credibility that they do not deserve and a further platform.

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  111. These people who rip into Marti and the book don't realize that Marti and Dennis and GNGS did not put the spotlight on Wagner's lies, Wagner did. As the years went on, it caught up with him. How many times can a person contradict themselves and not have it noticed. That would have happened with or without Dennis.
    Robert Wagner is a liar. Dennis and Marti and GNGS did not make him that way. That's on him.

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  112. I won't respond to the IMDB poster's rubbish. It wouldn't have taken me 20 years to write a book I was copying from others <so sorry it took so long)...
    Anything I referenced was cited as such and explained from what source I obtained the material (i.e., Wagner's book, Lambert's, articles etc). Fact is that many former writers on the topic originally copied from ME or from an interview with Dennis. Sam Kashner read a lot of GNGS before he did his Vanity Fair article in 2000. They were willing to stop the presses for Suzanne Finstad's book for more information from me, and Dennis and I have talked about and have shown good portions of GNGS for over 15 years. We were the SOURCE, not the ones who had to seek out others because Dennis WAS THERE! So I'm not going to explain anything anywhere but here. I am so proud of my hard work and research for GNGS and I wish I could've done even more, but I'm working on it, and it's all of my OWN work. I know that all of you know that, but I wanted to post this comment here for the occasional visitor who might not. Thank you all for keeping me updated.
    PS: GNGS was first copyrighted in 1992, and many articles have been based on it. Part three and four is what I primarily worked on after 2001.

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  113. It's called research.

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  114. Trust me, Marti, you responded. Those people are glued to this blog. They read every word. Those of us who have followed this from the very early days know that you and Dennis were the source for much of what has been written. The person who said that crap on IMDB is obviously not knowledgeable enough to know that and wants Natalie's death to be connected to that of William Holden. My sister-in-law is a Holden fan. She told me a few details about his death that have never been revealed, nothing to do with Natalie. If you are interested, I will contact you privately.

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  115. That person who is drumming the "Holden was murdered by Powers and it is all connected with Natalie's death" tune has been doing that for years not only on imdb but everywhere. She is a follower of Jesus and Peter Rydyn and she admits she prays for the answers. What else do you need to know about this one?

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  116. Anonymous 9:42...Thanks, that explains a lot. I like that we deal with LOGIC here.

    With that said, Anonymous 9:47, if you'd like to email me that would be fine. martirulli@gmail.com

    Although I do not believe Holden's death is connected with Powers, I often wonder how it factored into the "people get drunk and die" theme.
    I have both Holden's and Natalie's wills, too. I did plenty of research on Holden's death, which I believe was a drunken accident. But, I do concur that it probably factored into making it easier to try to pawn Natalie's death off as a drunken accident, too. It is one of Hollywood's most bizarre coincidences, but knowing that Natalie's death was NOT an accidental drunken fall CHANGES "coincidence" to CONVENIENT. People get drunk and die, yes, but Natalie did NOT "fall off a boat" as a result of alcohol.

    Holden's death made it easier for Walken to offer his flip remarks, too... a sort of "it happens more than once" attitude.

    The deaths are not connected as part of any conspired plan, but who knows how Holden's death affected the THINKING of particular people.

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  117. Copied and paster exactly as she has it on imdb. I believe we should cut her some slack as its clear she isn't playing with a full deck folks!

    Her post-
    If I take a polygraph, these are a sample of some of the questions:

    1) Are you absolutely certain, without a doubt, that William Holden did not die as the coroner theorized in his autopsy or as the media has reported?

    Yes.

    2) Did the knowledge that William Holden did not die as the official reports state reach you without you seeking it?

    Yes.

    3) Prior to getting this knowledge, had you ever heard of Peter Rydyn or his findings?

    No.


    A polygraph is just to confirm that I am not a conspiracy theorist. This knowledge has come at great cost to my emotional well-being and the results are simply a back-up for the truth of my statements. My source will not be revealed to the polygraph examiner nor to the authorities but I sincerely pray that justice will finally be served.

    I do not want to profit from this horrendous act and do not want any notoriety. No I did not know Bill Holden or Natalie Wood but becoming aware of this injustice affects me personally.

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  118. let's not give them more of an audience. these theories have nothing to do with what's at stake

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  119. Hey Marts, well if I could title this post I'd call it Oh for f..k's sake! Today I have not only received an email from an old friend asking how I could write "so many gruesome lies" about Natalies death, but then there was this HORRENDOUS racist comment left under my Nicole Simpson video, explaing how she got what she deserved, and if we link this stuff to the continued defense of Mel Gibson, then it just proves if Wagner killed her again, and did it in Times Square, he'd still walk. People should just go ahead and hire celebrities as hit men, its the perfect crime :(
    love
    Kathleen

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  120. Kath, how true. Robert Blake was acquitted!! OJ was found not guilty. They sent Wagner home to grieve!! I think that even shocked him.
    How? How? How?

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  121. This culture elevates "stars" to an almost God'like status. Even those entrusted to uphold the law, venerate these people above the rest of us. As long as they are lifted to the heavens, justice for them will always be different than the rest of we mortals.

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  122. There is no link between the deaths of Wood and Holden. The only link is Powers, if there was any negligence in Holdens death Powers surely told Wagner and Wagner told Wood.

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  123. This case had been interesting to me since its inception. I recently read two biographies on Natalie and the case one written by Lana-written a few years after natalies death ( which I like the best) but I bet if Lana were to write a book today it might be even more interesting. It strikes me odd that natalies daughters are so loyal to RJ?? maybe he took an oath to renew himself after his tragic mistake and promised natalie that he was going to make right to raise them........now that they are adults I do think the truth about his not being there for natalie needs to come out........ for his own sake and his own judgement day........

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  124. can someone clear up that fact that natalie caught RJ with a man having relations?? her sister Lana didnt reveal that but maybe RJ was resentful to the fact that he was living a lie and natalie and her perfect self was a reminder of his lies and maybe he wanted revenge for her catching him in the act and years later making her pay??

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  125. "Tragic mistake" is really underselling his heinous actions. So is "not being there for Natalie" It makes it sound like he got drunk and forgot to show up for Christmas dinner. There isn't language strong enough to describe Wagner's actions that night.

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  126. I can give you strong enough language to describe it. He was a raging jealous husband because his own insecurities were threatened by a better actor his wife admired for professional reasons. He turned into a maniac and violently crashed a wine bottle in everyone's faces, then he followed his wife to their bedroom to defend himself and it all turned into offense, and it got physical and carried over to the open rear deck. Then somehow he made sure his wife ended up in the ocean, and once there, he decided to let the ocean finish what he started and he refused to do anything to rescue his wife from the sea he knew would finish her off given enough time. Then evidence worked in his favor and for decades he has played the grieving husband card. Bottom line: he's a liar, a fake, and a killer.

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  127. Wagner is going to be on NCIS AGAIN during November sweeps week. Too bad it had to be November. That is usually the month some news organizations mention the anniversary of Natalie's death. People have such a hard time separating reality from fiction. His showing up on NCIS as Charlie Charming will make it hard for some people to believe he could do such a thing. Too bad the above poster's message couldn't be added as a disclaimer at the end of the program.

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  128. People should write letters to NCIS, or better yet to the sponsors. Things like that make more news than a petition to reopen the case (not that I'm saying the petition is useless because I love that it was started, and I know it will do good, but we should make some noise, too)

    Think about it, if O.J. Simpson (if not in jail) was going to appear as a guest actor on a popular show, there would be protest signs surrounding the studio. Letters would be written, and it would make the news. We all participate at this blog but what do we really do for Natalie? How do we help her case along?

    Who among us has written a letter or picked up the phone to help this cause? I know I haven't, so please don't think I'm the pot calling the kettle black. After reading the above post, it made me think about it and I'm going to search online to hunt down NCIS information. I'll return and share it any contact information I find. Maybe there's an email address we can send to. I know it takes work to locate sponsors, possibly they don't even know the sponsors yet.

    I'll take on this little self-appointed assignment and feel better about doing something to help. Then each of us should protest individually. November is not the time to showcase an actor attached to such a disgusting tragedy.

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  129. Here is the basic contact data for CBS, the hosting network. Maybe calling the number will provide more direct contact information for the show. Any decent person would call. I'm calling tomorrow. I don't think this is an extreme measure, but I'm open for discussion about this. Is this a foolish idea? Most importantly, would you prefer we not do this, Marti? I feel we should all be in this together.

    CBS Corporation Headquarters
    51 W. 52nd Street
    New York, NY 10019-6188
    1-212-975-4321

    Press Contacts
    www.cbspressexpress.com

    NCIS is also on Facebook, maybe a good place to protest.

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  130. I wrote the post about NCIS. I have written to Perez Hilton twice,(because he supposedly had 70,000 followers)48 hours, People Magazine and anyone else for whom I thought this story was tailor made. I have been ignored as I'm sure many others have. OJ Simpson was proven to be a killer in the civil trial. We are still waiting for Wagner to be in the hot seat. Until he is, we continue to be swatted away as loonies. When this story breaks big a second time, people will no longer remain in the dark about the facts. I'm trying to be patient like Marti.

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  131. I was just trying to give him the benefit of the doubt on an obviously sensitive manner. Do I think the murder was premeditated ( if in fact he was responsible for her being pushed into the water) No, I don't think he premeditated it but if it was out of jealousy and rage then Im right with you and the man lives his hell every day..... There is something cold about the man and I wonder why those that have protected him do so. I dont know him at all obviously and am basing my opinon on speculation......... Now, Natalie married the guy twice so there must have been something nice there or maybe natialie want such a good judge in character ( this is possible too) she did seem a bit greedy as well when it came to fame and money so I guess its got the best of both of them....... nothing can bring her back and do I think we should invest tax dollars on this matter.......absolutely not. Do I think RJ should be investigated maybe but I am not for spending tax money on this matter at all. If the daughters and or sister or friends want to pursue RJ's investigation then I say more power to them........ just not my tax dollars. thank you

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  132. hard to tell who is posting what with all the anonymous names. can you pick a name that is anonymous without picking anonymous so that I can tell who posts what..... how about anonymous 1 and anonymous2 something like that to distinguish the anonymous's. Or are they all the same person???

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  133. I would actually be interested to see what a medium would say if they could get through to Natalie on what happened and what she would tell us about RJ. I have a feeling she might still stick up for the man?? I just think its so odd that the daughters are all still close with the man. This is the fact that makes me feel he is innocent. Also, the daughters are all adults now, so do they have a relationship with their aunt Lana??? why would they not want to know the person that was truly close with their mother

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  134. No, we are not all the same posters. My name is Kim. My recent posts were the NCIS, Stars being treated like Gods and most importantly questioning your language in your original post. It doesn't matter who posts what. No one is arguing here. Unlike you, the facts are clear to us and there is no middle ground. I found a lot more of your words that caught my interest. "perfect Natalie", "greedy", you post as questions that really seem like more of a defense. You have my name, do with it what you will.

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  135. P.S. If you reread your post, you'll see there's a lot of Natalie bashing going on. Again, 99% of us refer to him as the less respected term Wagner. Not the fan friendly RJ.

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  136. P.S.S. Your feeling that Natalie might still stick up for the man? You have no idea what you have just unleashed. Many posters aren't going to be as civil as I was.

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  137. I just ignore any natalie bashing , and I can understand the rage when it comes to RJ, but I refrain from my RJ bashing too. my only comment about the anonymous name is that it doesnt allow for continuity. I dont care to know anyone name persay, just a way to see the consistency in opinon. Thats all. no big deal, just observation.

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  138. my posts about natalie being perfect was to say that she was caught up in an industry where playing with fire does burn. She did marry this man for the second time. I found it interested to see an interview of her that she did for the Mike douglas show and he brings up the marriage and its almost brushed under the rug that she actually married him twice......and she seemed almost embarrassed about that fact. Does seem odd that she would re-marry him. Didnt I read that she caught him with a man having sex the first time??? What is that about and if so what was she thinking........playing with fire...and IM not saying that she deserved her fate in any way.........just that she made bad choices....but things were different back then and it truly was a mans world, as we see by what RJ was capable of getting away with........ this would not happen the same way today and in fact he would he proven guilty even if he were innocent as far left that weve come in our judicial system.... jmo

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  139. natalie was old fashion in her thinking thats why I say stick up for him..... her sister lana who was the more liberal one was still very old fashion in her mentality. This had everything to do with the way they were raised. remember her mother and sister tried to talk natalie into staying with her first husband.......she would have been better off.........who give a shit whether someone refers to Robert Wagner as RJ( short and easy to type or Wagner......really just minutiae and not worth the stress. get over your selves. really!!! I think we all have a common thread in that we all loved Natalie Wood and only wish she were here today to see grow old with us all.

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  140. PSSSSS
    anonymous........how would i know that many posters would be take aback by my comments.........you're all anonymous by name so I can I tell one from another........just odd and really not helping natalies cause

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  141. I stopped talking to you because you are clearly an idiot. You continue your posts only to PROVOKE. I don't need for anyone to identify themselves as anything but anonymous. If you were a regular on this blog you would almost always know who you are talking to. Writing styles are very telling, sometimes even how someone places their words on the page. NO ONE cares who is speaking. We are united in justice for Natalie. I'm done with you. GOODBYE.

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  142. Out of respect to Marti, let's curb the bickering here. We're all united and the jabs at Natalie are unnecessary even though it's ok to be honest about how you review "RJ and Natalie" as a couple. I'm sure they experienced everyday marital challenges and had their fair share of arguments and differences, but this woman ended up dead in the Pacific. We're totally dealing with a horse of a different color relating to this tragedy. There's no room for bickering between members of the same team. Some treat this travesty of justice more seriously than others, but the majority of us always show complete respect for Natalie. No one can fault her for a lack ability in character judgment. Wagner may not be a top-notch professional actor but we all know he's an excellent fraud in real life. He showered Natalie with adoration, something she probably never recognized as one of the flaws in possessive egotistical personality. She was his trophy wife. Deep down he was jealous and envious her, as comments riddled throughout his book indicate. As previously pointed out, he showed more emotion for his dog dying than he did for "the love of his life." Actually, he bumped Natalie from that status too. This man is a classic case of a sociopath.

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  143. "This is the fact that makes me think he is innocent". Same team? Not likely.

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  144. We have been doing just fine with the anonymous posting. No one has had a problem with it. We have been communicating, exchanging idea and thoughts for quite some time with no complaints, no issues, no animosity, until the troll brigade surfaces. I agree with Anonymous 5:21PM. This jrt person is trying to stir the pot.

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  145. JRT, this blog is not the place to debate what happened to Miss Wood. It is not the place for you. The purpose of this blog is to bring Natalie the justice that she deserves as a victim. As such your contributions do not add anything of value here. Thanks.

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  146. "greedy when it came to money" Natalie was not greedy. She took care of herself, her family, some of her friends and bailed Wagner out of the huge financial mess he got himself in. She was very generous with the money she worked very hard to earn. She never relied on anyone, financially.
    It's so easy to recognize the trolls, the Wagner majorettes.

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  147. Dont you think that if those closest to Natalie....... her daughters, her sisters, her mother......if they didnt pursue revenge on "Wagner" that there must be some reason for that.........Now, I listened to Marti's interview on her detailed book and I agree that Natalie's death was a HUGE cover up.... and I also sense and oddness from RJ- in general. But you do have to be fair to the current circumstances that Natalie's children all are very loyal to RJ........ I would agree that its not good to turn their worlds up-side down unless they chose to take that route. Just trying to be fair and never bashing Natalie but she was a fame horse. Even she knew that about herself. It got the best of her and Even the Captain of the ship and person behind Marti's book was sucked into the fame aspect of it all!! I dont name call, I just state my opinion.

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  148. "Fame horse" she stopped working to stay home with her kids during the years they were discovering life. "Fame horses" don't do that sort of thing.
    "Never bashing Natalie" while doing exactly that.
    "Even she knew that about herself" Yeah, OK.

    This "jrt" person is the same troll who was here causing trouble last week. A Wagner supporter trying to stir the pot.

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  149. have you never read any of natalies biography's? Her sister refers to natalie as a fame horse.......natalie refers to herself as a fame horse and tried to get her sister to look outside the industry for work. natalie was not perfect, she was human living in a world of perfection. She was no different that other hollywood stars of her decade. There arent many starts anymore for this very reason. There are only actors.

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  150. Natalie never referred to herself that way, LMAO.
    What does that have to do with GNGS or Natalie's death. NOTHING! Lana said that she wants this case re-opened because Wagner has never told her the truth about the night Natalie died. That's why we here, to support Marti and Dennis and seek justice for Natalie.

    and, I don't know about the rest of you but this is the first time I have heard the term "fame horse" The term is "fame whore" which is a person who is willing to demean and humiliate herself to seek attention from the media and public, that was NOT Natalie, not by any stretch of the imagination. She carried herself with grace, dignity, class and charm. Your attempt to trash Natalie is not working.

    These Wagner supporters must be running out of places to go.

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  151. the current/modern term is fame whore. But in the 50's-70's that term wasnt used then. the term comes from the term work-horse and back in the 50-70 it was well known in the circle to say fame horse- as in work horse of the fame industry.......... you need to get off your high horse....... I cant believe how much you are badgering me over my opinon. Here is an idea for you........learn to ignore that in which you dont get or understand.........I take it you are the only current person that gives opinons on this site??

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  152. I've been sick with a virus for the past 48 hours, feeling a little better today.

    JRT, there are many sites to discuss Natalie's personality and career. There are probably people eager to agree with you elsewhere so I do not understand why you choose this blog to post your antagonizing, unfounded claims.

    I didn't know Natalie but Dennis did for seven years, and Lana knew her all of her life. You are not describing Natalie accurately. You are presenting your own interpretations of things you've read and heard.

    Natalie was not a fame whore. You can trust the people here who've set you straight on that. I'd also like to inform you that just because Natalie's daughters haven't pursued the investigation, there are more people than family deserving the truth in this case. Dennis was a PARTICIPANT of the weekend cruise that took Natalie's life. He's been dragged through the mud, accused, slandered, and laughed at. HE deserves the truth to be known in this death case more than anyone involved as he has ended up the scapegoat for the case. A death as high-profile as Natalie's doesn't stay limited to "what the family wants."

    As for Dennis seeking fame, here I can tell you how dead wrong you are. Dennis never once got caught up in the fame of those he worked for as well as after the tragic weekend. In fact, he was so nonchalant about being Natalie's skipper and friend that it was almost unbelievable for his friends and family who thought much more of it than Dennis ever did. Did Dennis like his position? He LOVED it. DId he take advantage of it? NEVER. Maybe you should read GNGS again and hear what you are reading this time because you are certainly getting into territory that is blatantly ignorant with your last few comments.

    If you can't conduct yourself at this blog by sticking to facts about the death case, I will delete your posts, as I can't let this blog turn into an innuendo-filled site as the half-truths have corrupted so many other sites, including my book pages. Nothing astounds me more than that: people at my book pages spewing their ignorance simply because they are unwilling to admit the real reason they defend the lies. Contacting me has never been an option for them. Why? Talking person to person is simply beyond their scope so they book-bash instead. They know if they contact me they might get too close to reality. I'm in NO fantasy world...over Natalie or ANYTHING about this case. It goes way beyond Dennis.

    There are plenty of places online where you might fit better with the people who seem intellectually-challenged in understanding true personality and the facts behind this tragic story.

    Here, the facts are crystal clear, and we are way beyond debating the drivel. Hope I made it crystal clear what I'm saying.

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  153. My goodness! Some people never give up. I wasn't aware that this was a blog for self indulgent posturing Natalie Wood historians and do not know the difference between a "horse" and a "whore". Aren't there other blogs and sites for that type of behavior? Correct me if I am wrong but I am under the impression that this is a blog to discuss the book.

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  154. Thank you everyone, for confirming my suspicions. I couldn't believe the things JRT was spewing and no one but me seemed to be answering. I guess most people hadn't read the board yet. I do apologize for calling the person an idiot. I lost my temper and there is no place on this blog for name calling. Believe it or not I'm smarter than that. Anyway, I'm glad that his/her assaults on Natalie were answered by other people too. When they said Natalie would probably still defend Wagner? I thought my head was going to explode.

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  155. Marti, has Dennis ever regretted his part in trying to give Natalie the justice she deserves? I'm sure he's aware of some of the labels that have been stamped on him as a result of his trying of to set the record straight.

    If Dennis wanted fame and money there would have been smoother roads for him to take. He was exposed to some of the most famous people in show business. IMO, Dennis has showed Natalie more respect and honor than Wagner has and I think it's safe to say that Wagner owes her more than Dennis does.

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  156. There is no way Natalie would defend the man who deprived her of watching her kids grow up or defend the man who went out of his way to tarnish her reputation with lies to cover up his actions and a lifestyle that he will never want to be revealed.

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  157. Marti, by mere chance, I arrived at your blog, and your quest for truth as continued from your book, GNGS. Sadly our life (the world in total) experiences are filled with people who would do murder and "get away." I was browsing the web as is my morning routine of getting a sampling of some of the news around the world (entertainment industry, also). I read a little blurb on the season premier of 48 Hours and Harold Dows last report he worked on before he died of health complications recently. Then, I became curious of the released pictures taken by the "photographer" "Dating Game killer," Rodney Alcala. The given reason for the police department was to get any information identifying anyone in those pictures that could possibly have been missing since those picture were taken more that thirty years ago! It is in this same manner of quest Natalie Wood's dead MUST be re-opened for proper investigation.

    Robert Wagner's own words of the timeline do NOT add up to the truth of what happened.

    Keep shining the spotlight Marti Rulli. Thank you for your determined and exhausting efforts in the name of silent victims EVERYWHERE. Godspeed. ColinS

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  158. Dennis made mistakes in the way he told his account throughout the years, adding pieces of truth as time passed, but that was only because he released the details at a pace he felt emotionally comfortable with and, yes, physically safe with. Being incriminated even by Rasure is an awkward position for Dennis, one he has never understood, but definitely felt he had to work around. Rasure uses Dennis as his own personal scapegoat for having done a horrid job in investigating this case.

    Dennis has never regretted telling the truth in this case but has often paused for the well-being and safety of his family, too. I honestly feel sorry for the position Dennis has arrived at. When we interviewed with the media last year, we told the truth, but the truth is so damaging that the media is even afraid of it. We are between a rock and a hard spot, and it isn't easy. We know what we need to do and we are doing it. We're sorry for the lack of cooperation from the media and the law, but that is not our doing and never has been. Dennis is NOT "the blame."

    Dennis's children really never knew about this entire saga. After GNGS was released, Dennis's daughter asked him a lot of questions. Dennis told me she was really interested in this story that has always followed her father and then he explained to me how he took her aside with a copy of the book and opened it up to the photograph of him and Natalie. He took the time to explain how dear Natalie was to him, and then told her about Natalie's movie career, explaining that Natalie will be known forever due to movies such as "Rebel Without a Cause" and "West Side Story." He then took the time to tell her all about Natalie, how professional she was, how kind she could be, what a good friend she was, and how unnecessary it was for her to die. He said he will never forget Natalie and that he finally feels relieved that the truth is explained about the night she died. His daughter asked if Natalie was a nice woman, and Dennis said that brought tears to his eyes as he explained that he hopes his daughters will always remember how nice Natalie was to their father and how sad it is for the way she left this world.

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  159. ColinS

    Thank you for posting at my blog, and thank you for being the kind of person who cares about silent victims.

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  160. WOW, Marti, thanks for sharing that with us and thanks for never giving up.

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  161. My feeling is that RJ says he's trying to "protect" Natalie because he's subliminally projecting a story that Natalie went crazy that night. With this line of thinking, if the "true" story were revealed (meaning, a deeper fabricated RJ story), the public might say in response, "She lost her mind and died because of her crazy decision to take the dinghy out alone. Well that's what you get when you go crazy." So RJ looks like he's being a caring former husband trying to protect Natalie's legacy from being tarnished by a crazy episode where she got herself killed. Like so many other things RJ says, he pretends he's protecting someone else -- but he's really protecting himself.

    ...from KB

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