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Saturday, July 23, 2011

The subtle ways Robert Wagner has tried to re-write history

Robet Wagner admitted he plotted to kill Beatty
Robert Wagner Admits He Plotted To Kill Warren Beatty - Starpulse.com

Oh, he thinks he's good. He thinks he can put stories in books of lies, telling tales about how he waited outside Warren Beatty's house with a gun, when in fact, for the timing of his story, Beatty wasn't even in the country. He subtly lets the public know that he was tormented over an affair he claims Natalie Wood had with Beatty that didn't exist. This is an older article but it was the start of Wagner's little campaign to re-write Hollywood history.

Natalie Wood NEVER had an affair with Beatty. When they worked together on "Splendor in the Grass" Beatty and Natalie were not even chummy. In fact, there were some artistic differences in play. Beatty was engaged to Joan Collins at the time and he and Joan were very much in love. Natalie was in love with her husband, Robert Wagner, and while she was working doubly hard for the two of them because he wasn't bringing in any money at the time, while she worked on two films, she hardly had time for love affairs. It was after Natalie walked in on her husband, who was in a compromising position with another man, that she ran away from the marriage and never told anyone why, but she did write about how devastating an experience it was in regards to what caused the fall of her marriage. The marriage ended because HE cheated!
It wasn't until a year later that Natalie and Warren dated, after both had officially separated from their prior relationships. to make it more clear: Natalie did NOT have an "affair" -- she was OUT of her relationship with Wagner before she started seeing Warren. Therefore it is NOT an affair, it is a NEW RELATIONSHIP. She didn't start seeing Warren until AFTER she and RJ were separated...they separated in June, Natalie and warren began seeing each other in October. Then the couple appeared together at the premier of "Splendor in the Grass" and IF (BIG IF) Wagner ever waited for Beatty with a gun, it was NOT because Natalie had cheated on him.

Wagner's entire gun story is told to create the illusion that Natalie had cheated on him. Feel sorry for the mistreated husband and change the truth in the process... and, also, there's a bonus in it for Wagner. His fans think it's proof that he can become awful mad, mad enough to want to kill, but oh, of course, his better senses always take over, right?

Well, NO. His better senses did NOT take over the night Natalie Wood drowned. He made sure she drowned. He made sure NO ONE would have the opportunity to rescue her before the ocean could take her life. He knew how much time that might take, and he made damn sure to wait long enough to better HIS chances of her not being found alive. He told the Coast Guard Rescuer that he didn't call because he thought she was "off partying on other boats because that's the kind of woman she is." Nice husband.

He uses his subtle little tales all over the place, things such as Natalie drank too much, slipped and hit her head. NONE OF THAT IS TRUE.  Natalie drank socially that evening, as she had many, many social cruises before. She NEVER went out on a wet deck in her nightgown to re-tie a 13-ft. dinghy, tied with TWO LINES 12-ft apart, meaning it could NOT have drifted away with her if that had been her task, which it wasn't. She wasn't out drinking with other boaters in her nightgown, either. That's preposterous, yet it's what he SAID! In fact, she was on the back deck in a heated argument with her husband who was in a jealous, drunken rage, and then within minutes, she was IN the ocean, and left there to drown.

Natalie was an understanding, forgiving woman and believed Wagner was a worth a second chance, thus she remarried him after their first divorce. In her heart, he was the man of her dreams, but she had no idea his possesive nature could or would spiral so outrageously beyond control until the night of Novemebr 27, 1981. Yes, it was on that FRIDAY night of the 27th of that fateful cruise she first feared for her life, and she FLED. She fled with her boat captain to the safety of the Island, and she wanted to get as far away as possible from the man she suddenly realized she SHOULD fear. Sadly, come the next morning, with no flight available, she possibly wondered if she had overreacted. Plus, she had left her co-star to deal with a crazy situation, so she returned to the yacht. Within 24 hours, she would be dead for that decision.

Wagner's little subtle stories to try change the truth, to re-write history, will not work. Many people guarantee it at this point. So, this article link here talks about a man who ADMITS to wanting to kill. Hmmm, wonder if that was his intention with his little Beatty/gun story. Hopefully, he will not "want to kill" again before his time is up.  There will NEVER be enough time between the truth of what happened on the night of November 28, 1981 and his lies to change the minds of the intelligent life on this planet. If there's one drop of decency in this man, he should make his peace with the truth by TELLING THE TRUTH before he leaves this world. But we intelligent people know that will never happen, either. We will be fed lies such as the one in this article.

60 comments:

  1. I'd like to see a list of his lies. Don't forget he lied about the timing on the start of his relationship with another woman after Natalie died. Anything to make himself look better...

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  2. Is it true he is writing another book? Who is he going to say he banged this time? Eleanor Roosevelt?

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  3. Why on earth would someone write a second auto-biography only 2 years after the original. Some show biz personalities write a second memoir 15 or 20 years after the original but 2 years? What could have happened in 2 years that warrants a second memoir? POMH was littered with lies. What else could he possibly add? Me thinks Mr. Wagner wants to have the last word. He thought he had that when he wrote POMH but along came GNGS and he was one big no comment but now he is writing a second auto-bio.

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  4. He's in for a rude awakening if he thinks he's going to have the last word.

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  5. I guess Wagner thinks lightening will strike twice. I am sure it will be a bunch of bunk and stories where all the people are dead or too old to care just like his first book. Liz Taylor died this year. I bet he will say they had some passionate affair now that she is gone. I wonder if he will put his escapades at the Beverly Hills Hotel in the book? Probably not because he only writes about his alleged affairs with women. Never the men!

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  6. Excellent post, Marti...Excellent!!!

    Best thing I've read regarding Natalie (in a long time).

    "Natalie was an understanding, forgiving woman." Yes, Natalie was a decent woman, wasn't she?

    I think you have answered your own question, Roz...GNGS is (probably) the reason.

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  7. I love you Marti...for your PERSISTENCE in bringing the truth about Natalie, to the WORLD. You and Dennis have hit many bumps in the road in getting this all told and I'm sure there are some ahead, but PLEASE keep on telling this story. I so pray that Natalie found peace while she was floating in that dark water. I can imagine her fear...and all at the hands of an idiot. Yes, one day, wagner will meet HIS....

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  8. Robert Wagner has no shame whatsoever.
    As if leaving Natalie to die in the water she had always feared (thus allowing her worst nightmare to come true) he lives on to try and desecrate her memory, when he speaks/writes of her at all.
    What axe is he still grinding against her?
    Is her death not enough to satisfy him?
    Either he is pure evil personified or has a mental defect.
    I think the former is the truth.

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  9. one believes robert wagner is not different to any husband who committed manslaughter against his wife he blames natalie.always will.

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  10. hello marti i sent the above comments and believe robert wagner has had more than enough time on your blog.i have adored natalie since was young and i willalways enjoy talking and reading about her.i love your book and i have every biography ever written about her.iwas dissapointed there was so little about her in robert wagners biography.i love seeing photos of natalie particularly as she got older.she got more beautiful.

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  11. So little about her in Wagner's biography? He USED her from cover to cover. He played the Natalie card throughout complete with the same type of lies and deceit that have colored Wagner's every word.
    We discuss Wagner on this blog because the blog is for the GNGS and Wagner is a big part of that as he caused her death.

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  12. Robert Wagner is a despicable and conniving liar. Thank you Marti for revealing him for what he truly is. His fear of being remembered as anything other than Mr. Wonderful is what is behind his new book. Keep up the good work, Marti. Keep writing about him, keep telling the truths that he does not want revealed. How many auto-biographies can he write.

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  13. apolagies roz and any true natalie fans.i just mean there seemed to be very little true sentiment from robert wagner from a bereffeth widower.natalie was such a great part of robert wagners life.i really mean i just wanted to learn much more about their second married life together with the girls.i promise i am up there with those who have the greatest love and respect for natalie.

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  14. 4:17 PM sounds like that person known in some circles as Vlad and in others as Jocko.
    Wagner's book is all about Natalie or the made up garbage about his affairs with old time actresses. The dead ones that can't call him a liar to his face! If 4:17 PM loved Natalie as he tells it he would know that Wagner sold his book on Natalie's name and hers alone. She was the only interesting thing in his entire life unless you think coat racks with ears are interesting.

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  15. I had the same thoughts. It was bound to happen with the anonymous posting.

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  16. LOL, yes, Kevin, I did answer my own question. He is writing this book to have the last word without having to answer questions that he would be asked if he responded to GNGS through the media. It's much easier to lie your way through a book and make a few bucks than it is to sit with a reporter and have the reporter ask why he lied to the police, why he waited so long to report that his wife was missing, why he kept the bottle breaking from the police etc, etc. Who knows, maybe his kids read GNGS and asked a few question. They know that he lied about various aspects of his life in his book.

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  17. "Vlad" is not a real person. It's one of the many names used by a troll who pretends to be a fan of Natalie but is devoted to Wagner. Not worth our time.

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  18. jb, why don't you sign in?

    This is not a fan site but we have discussed other aspects of Natalie's life on this blog. We can't forget it's reason for being is to achieve justice for her. Wagner's name does come into play as he was the person who robbed her of her life, of her kids, of seeing how beloved she is by her fans of all ages so many years later. He continues to lie, to try to besmirch her memory so many years later. He knows that after all is said and done, he will be remembered due to his connection to her. She's an icon, a legend. He's an old man who never rose to the heights that he hoped he would, rose to the heights that she rose to.

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  19. I'm soory for being off topic here but I see someone is from Dublin. I was there a few years ago and I have relatives going there on vacation next month. I'm trying to remember the name of the hotel I stayed at. It is about a 10 minute walk into the center of Dublin and there is a large outdoor arena right near it. Does this sound familiar to you at all? I want to say Janes Road or something like that.
    I am a big Natalie Wood fan too. I didn't know that she had a large fan base in Ireland too. How wonderful!
    Thanks,
    Shelley

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  20. I think that may very well be the reason, Roz. Why eslse? Did he forget something?

    I think you wrote a great post, Marti. It brings together all of the important points that should be made concerning Wagner and his lying. His deliberate attacks on Natalie's character. Like this very succinct sentence below:

    "Wagner's entire gun story is told to create the illusion that Natalie had cheated on him."

    Her fans have had to live with the looming shadow of Wagner as a constant reminder of her terrible death. It's like he won't ever get out of her way...he won't let Natalie shine again.

    It seems like he's robbed Natalie of so much, so he can go on living.

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  21. Oh no need to do that JB! I don't expect you to go looking it up or anything like that. It is the Croke Park Hotel right near the Croke Park Stadium on Jones Road not Janes Road. My error entirely! I'm surprised you didn't know that. I spoke to a friend who lives right outside of the center of Dublin on the Southside and she told me everyone knows the Croke area. Thanks anyway!
    Shelley

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  22. I am having Deja Vu here. At one point in my life I am sorry to say, I did not believe RJ guilty of doing anything wrong. I was a member on an old RJ fan group on Yahoo. I recently noticed postings on here that sound exactly like a member who was on that group and was a major fan of RJ.

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  23. Kevin, when Wagner wrote the gun story he wanted readers to say "he loved her so much, look what she drove him to." That was his agenda throughout that book, throughout the past 30 years.

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  24. JB, I am familiar with O'Connell Street but I thought that was on the East Side of Dublin not the North. Of course you would certainly know more about it than I would. You live there. I've only visited. Do you live near the Summerhill area near Phoenix Park?
    Shelley

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  25. o connell is about a half an hour from croke park. who do you two think your kidding? JB and Shelley know Dublin about as good as Wagner knows the truth! What a crock! Feeling each other out so just admit it.

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  26. I just saw a re-run of the Tracey Thurman story on Lifetime. Her husband beat and stabbed her nearly to death and she will suffer the horrible effects for the rest of her life. He too went on to say how 'she' made him do it. How 'she' provoked him, etc. Sounds so much like Wagner and that ridiculous gun story, how Natalie 'drove him to it' because he loved her so. In my opinion both of those so-called 'men' are nothing but sadists and that is being charitable.

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  27. This jb person stays up reading wikipedia I guess.

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  28. Marti, your post perfectly sums up what I think about Wagner. "Natalie Wood: A Life" was his way of trying to get the last word after "Natasha" was published, but that wasn't enough so he had to write his "autobio" and now he's writing another one, after not addressing GNGS. I don't doubt he'll continue to twist, lie and exaggerate things to make himself look like a victim while Natalie lies dead because of his neglect, jealousy and stupidity. How can anyone buy the self-serving drivel that comes out of that pathetic excuse of a man's mouth? People need to stop treating him with kid gloves. He's not some grieving widower who struggled to move on with his life, he had no problem publicly dating another woman barely two months after Natalie's death. His lies just further show him to be a coward. Interesting that anonymous mentioned the Tracy Thurman story (another great one is "The Burning Bed" starring Farrah Fawcett, who of course was involved with Ryan O'Neal, the scumbag who abused his children and is an notorious womanizer), and remarking on the similarities between Thurman's husband and Wagner, and their excuses for their actions.

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  29. Well said, Muirmaiden. Wagner is the opposite of what he wants the public to believe he truly is. His fans buy the bunk he peddled in his book because they want to. Readers who were not fans, who know nothing about his life buy it because they don't know any better. He said in his book of lies that he began dating Jill 6 months after Natalie died. That's a lie. Why is he lying about that? Because the truth does not fit the image he tries to project. When the truth does not fit the image, when the truth causes chinks in his armor, Wagner re-writes history.

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  30. She dismissed it without reading it. She did what RJ expected of her.

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  31. I have recently been going through old VHS tapes and DVDs I've burned and I came across some old VHS tapes that a friend who worked at a Broadcasting Company made for me from the old prints.I think you can always tell so much about a person when they don't think the camera is on them or when they forget for a few moments that it is on them. I've watched some of Natalie Wood's interviews. A Dinah Shore one with other actresses and one from an old Bill Boggs show with her and Brooke Shields. She was so charming and funny and warm. She never talked down to Brooke Shields who was just a child when the show was on but you could see and hear the warmth she had for this child actress. A role Natalie knew all but too well. On the Dinah show she laughed and cavorted and spoke about "scrubbing floors" with that wonderful tinkling laugh of hers. It was one big garden party with actresses talking over each other and no one looking for the center spotlight. I also watched a tape with Robert Wagner from his appearance on the Rosie show. She addressed him as Mr. Wagner and he did nothing to correct her! I remember when Elizabeth Taylor was on there and Lauren Bacall too. True Film Legends. They cut Rosie off the second she called them Miss... Elizabeth and Lauren both said "Call me...please!" with chuckles! Not Mr. Wagner! Cold, austere and pompous and then came the topper on the dirt pie...Rosie, said something to the effect of "Oh and there is your lovely wife Jill St. John in the audience..." The camera quickly moved to St. John who had a frown and glasses on. She quickly but not quick enough, removed the glasses and a false smile came across her face. A lot can be said for the little everyday quirks and nuances of celebrities caught unaware. I was thinking about putting these shows up on You tube but I refuse to share anything with anyone who admires Mr. and Mrs. Robert and Jill St. John Wagner.

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  32. Natasha Wagner never read the book and said so in interviews.

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  33. What is the point of your post jb? Many covers are similar or are you trying to get the point across that you are "friends" with Marti on Favebook? Marti Rulli is a public person because she is a published author. I'm sure you aren't the first Face Book friend she has accepted without knowing. I see people on there with two or three accounts and no photo or anything. Where is the validity in your statement?

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  34. has anyonme questioned why wagner married jill st john.maybe a confession of sorts.maybe jill st john is the only person wagner addimitted anything to.perfect grounds for a lasting hollywood marrige.jill st john and natalie were never best of buddies.

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  35. You are about as much jb dublin ireland as I am HRH Elizabeth of sixteen Soverigns.
    Anyone can look up areas of any country and put it all together. This is the age of technology JB dear.
    You might be able to fool some of those addle brained nitwits but you will never fool me. Aren't you getting tired? Aren't we keeping you up rather late in Ireland?

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  36. I've deleted jb's posts, and would appreciate, "jb" if you would not post at my blog again. Marti Rulli

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  37. I am trying to still post under my account, now trying through a different service. Thanks for all the comments here.

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  38. Wow, it worked! Thanks for whoever suggested I try to post COMMENTS through a different server. I was able to make posts, delete comments, but I could not post a comment through my main service. Now, I can.

    There are numerous ways Wagner had held Natalie's memory hostage, and it has sickened me throughout the years. Her fans do all we can to prevent it, but because of his "celebrity" he reaches the greater public. I'm trying to do all I can to be able to do the same. Will keep you all posted.

    Today, I attended a funeral for a dear friend, a mother of four who died suddenly last Friday. She was only 47. I never saw so many people at a viewing in my entire life, probably over 1,000. She was an artist, a really decent person, and she will be so missed by so many. It was a reminder of sticking to what's important in life. Lives are cut short everyday, yes, and it is terribly sad, but when a life is cut short the way Natalie's was, well that's something of vital importance and deserves so much better than was dealt to Natalie by her so-called "loving husband" -- I saw a true loving husband today mourn the loss of his wife, the mother of his children, and believe me, there's a world of difference involved. Wagner didn't even want to attend Natalie's funeral. That says it all, as does so many other of his actions.

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  39. I have another dear friend I cannot get in touch with. I don't know if you will see this, but Happy Birthday K. Wishing you the best, as always. Sorry I couldn't call last week.

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  40. wll said marti.beautifully put and much condolences.

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  41. marti there was so much i never knew about wagners actions after natalies death until i read your book.i cannot say i was an admirer of robert wagner.however the media at that time did not do a good job of reporting the whole story.i am of an age that can be considerd media savy and i cannot understand how the real truth never got reported espically by the media today.

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  42. robert wagner must be making natalies money go an incrediably long way.

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  43. a retired police man expensive horses.not what you know who you know

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  44. Marti, the troll is still posting anonymously.

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  45. Why do you think he takes shit parts on tv shows, crap commercials, hosting duties on magic acts and why he is writing another book? He needs the cash to keep the truth as far away from him as he can get it!
    When he was Mr. Wood he was presenting Academy Awards with. Now he is introducing Fluffy the wonder dog disappearing act!

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  46. also he said in his book jill st john talked him out of dancing with the stars.the man is shamless.

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  47. Roz, I see. Thanks. ANd we're going back to sign-in, now that I fixed how to post comments under my sign-in.

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  48. Marti, I believe Wagner was told to go to the funeral by his PR people and his lawyers. He played the grieving widower in front of the audience of big name stars he invited. He kissed the casket as a last goodbye in front of the media but he never said a private goodbye to her nor did he accompany his kids when they went to say a final goodbye to their mother. That was too much for him and it would not have served him in any way as there was no one to watch.

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  49. Roz, A few years ago, I was listening to Wagner being interviewed on the radio, about his book.

    The host asked Wagner if he really would have done it. Wagner had to ask the interviewer "Done what?" This was just after they were discussing Natalie, Beatty and the gun.

    When the host asked specifically, "Would you really have taken a shot at Beatty?" Wagner, sounded incredulous, and he answered with an "Oh, no, of course not!"

    I remember thinking at the time that it was a manufactured story. That was my immediate feeling after hearing Wagner's response. Wagner actually sounded like he couldn't relate to the story...like it was the first time he was hearing about it.

    That was before I even knew about or read GNGS.

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  50. LOL, "done what?" and to say "of course not". He was caught off guard by that question. Can you imagine him being questioned about Natalie's death? This is why he is one big "No comment" on GNGS.

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  51. Hi, is there some confirmed news that Robert Wagnner is writing a second book?

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  52. Exactly, Roz. Wagner is not the sharpest tack in the box. I'm sure that is why he never gets into the subject too deeply; he knows it wouldn't take much to trip him up. I don't think Wagner needs a lawyer to tell him that. He tiptoes around the subject...like he's trying to avoid a land mine.

    Has he ever looked into the camera and talked to the public in a sincere manner about Natalie's death? Has he ever said the things you would expect a husband (who didn't know what happened to Natalie--the great love of his life) to say?

    I can't think of one interview where he has done that.

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  53. Debora-Wagner told a reporter who interviewed him in reference to his appearance on TCM that he was writing a second auto-biography.

    Kevin-I have never seen him give a sincere response to a question involving Natalie's death or Natalie in general. He put the word out many years ago that she was not a topic that he wanted raised without his permission and preparation. He sounds rehearsed when he discusses Natalie's death. When there is a question he is not expecting he falls all over himself just as he did with the question about Beatty. Have you ever seen him answer the question about Natalie being his great love? Every time he is asked that question, he responds differently to make the answer fit what he is trying to sell at that moment. and for years he boasted about how Natalie was his first love. All of a sudden, Stanwyck became his first love. The man is a liar on all levels.

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  54. I've suspected Wagner killed Natalie all these years. Ever see a rich person get the death sentence?

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  55. I reread the chapter in his book where he talks about her death. I didn't know he left the Splendor and went to shore to look for her at Doug's bar. How did he get there if the dingy was gone? He makes it sound like this is why it took him so long to call for help. My husband watches NCIS RJ has a reoccurring role as Tony's father. I can stand to watch when he is on. I think its ironic that he was accused of murder on the show. Guess he I rehursing for real life.

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  56. I reread the chapter in his book where he talks about her death. I didn't know he left the Splendor and went to shore to look for her at Doug's bar. How did he get there if the dingy was gone? He makes it sound like this is why it took him so long to call for help. My husband watches NCIS RJ has a reoccurring role as Tony's father. I can stand to watch when he is on. I think its ironic that he was accused of murder on the show. Guess he I rehursing for real life.

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  57. I read your book. Very well written. All I can say is Jill St. John is either very, very brave or very, very stupid.

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  58. I read your book. Very well written. All I can say is Jill St. John is either very, very brave or very, very stupid.

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